My understanding is that someone (Fox?) told ME to cut costs - so no more Darla.

Julie Benz cost more than moving the entire production to an outdoor location for three episodes, plus all new sets for just that story arc and dozens of extras in prosthetic makeup? Wowza.

Pylea felt so off the wall when it was developing. But then again, it was nice to see one of these dimensions.

Dead ought to count for something narratively.

But she didn't kill him, so dead doesn't matter.

I think it's at least as canon that Buffy killed Angel at the end of season 2 as it is that Buffy died at the end of season 1, even though they both came back. Killing Angel is what "Becoming" told us she was going to do (Spike: "You let me and Dru skip town, I help you kill Angel." Whistler: "...the faster you kill Angel, the easier it's gonna be on you."), that's what Buffy told us she did, ("Giles, look, I've got makeup tests to pass... Next time I kill Angel, I'll video it"), and five seasons later, that's still the way she describes it: I killed Angel.

And I don't agree with Hec. Narratively, Buffy's first death had less impact on its finale and next season than Angel's did, and that was okay.

Edit: punctuating around parentheses is hard. Also,

Lessons

Season 7 stopped working for you right away, huh Rayne?

I think it's at least as canon that Buffy killed Angel at the end of season 2 as it is that Buffy died at the end of season 1

Okay, but when did he die? When she stabbed him? No. When he fell into hell? No.

So I'm missing the dead bit.

Darla -- dead vamp. Buffy, dead twice. Angel? No deader than he's ever been.

Buffy didn't really die in Prophecy Girl, either -- otherwise Baywatch is chasing Minear in the body count. I never really took Buffy's "death" seriously until I saw all the episodes that treated it as a fact of canon.

My understanding is that someone (Fox?) told ME to cut costs - so no more Darla.

My understanding was that she was tempted into a major role in the pilot of Kevin Williamson's 'Glory Days.' Then after doing the pilot, the networks said they needed someone younger in the role.

Vague rememberings, here.

I think that Angel's "death" was real in as much as it was real to Buffy. The emotional impact and all the feelings that brought, were real to her.

For the record, I like S6, a lot. For me S3 is the only one better. Of course S3 had the benefit of Faith and The Mayor.

I think that Angel's "death" was real in as much as it was real to Buffy. The emotional impact and all the feelings that brought, were real to her.

Also? Doesn't Angel refer to it as her killing him?

I think, when you're talking about a dead-but-demonically-animated creature, that this conversation is...

THE NEW XANDER'S LIE! Woo hoo!

Season 7 stopped working for you right away, huh Rayne?

No, I pretty much liked the season through Conversations with Dead People, but after that the season went downhill quickly for me (loved Storyteller though). Part of it was that I was frustrated that so much time was spent on potentials when it was the last season. The other part was that I ended up disliking Buffy (the character), and I never thought that was possible.

Basically I had issues with the show since Buffy and Spike started sleeping together in season 6 because then the show became all about Spike.

Buffy didn't really die in Prophecy Girl, either

Honestly, I think that is dead. The dead things happened, didn't they? Stopping breathing, normal human dead stuff.

Angel didn't do any of the dead stuff, remaining not dust and all.