I think it's at least as canon that Buffy killed Angel at the end of season 2 as it is that Buffy died at the end of season 1

Okay, but when did he die? When she stabbed him? No. When he fell into hell? No.

So I'm missing the dead bit.

Darla -- dead vamp. Buffy, dead twice. Angel? No deader than he's ever been.

Buffy didn't really die in Prophecy Girl, either -- otherwise Baywatch is chasing Minear in the body count. I never really took Buffy's "death" seriously until I saw all the episodes that treated it as a fact of canon.

My understanding is that someone (Fox?) told ME to cut costs - so no more Darla.

My understanding was that she was tempted into a major role in the pilot of Kevin Williamson's 'Glory Days.' Then after doing the pilot, the networks said they needed someone younger in the role.

Vague rememberings, here.

I think that Angel's "death" was real in as much as it was real to Buffy. The emotional impact and all the feelings that brought, were real to her.

For the record, I like S6, a lot. For me S3 is the only one better. Of course S3 had the benefit of Faith and The Mayor.

I think that Angel's "death" was real in as much as it was real to Buffy. The emotional impact and all the feelings that brought, were real to her.

Also? Doesn't Angel refer to it as her killing him?

I think, when you're talking about a dead-but-demonically-animated creature, that this conversation is...

THE NEW XANDER'S LIE! Woo hoo!

Season 7 stopped working for you right away, huh Rayne?

No, I pretty much liked the season through Conversations with Dead People, but after that the season went downhill quickly for me (loved Storyteller though). Part of it was that I was frustrated that so much time was spent on potentials when it was the last season. The other part was that I ended up disliking Buffy (the character), and I never thought that was possible.

Basically I had issues with the show since Buffy and Spike started sleeping together in season 6 because then the show became all about Spike.

Buffy didn't really die in Prophecy Girl, either

Honestly, I think that is dead. The dead things happened, didn't they? Stopping breathing, normal human dead stuff.

Angel didn't do any of the dead stuff, remaining not dust and all.

Honestly, I think that is dead. The dead things happened, didn't they? Stopping breathing, normal human dead stuff.

Besides, she would have had to have died for the new Slayer spell to be activated.

Angel didn't do any of the dead stuff, remaining not dust and all

This.

Rayne, my sistah in Buffy sadness.

Thing is, after Buffy, Spike is probably my all time favorite character...through season 5. When it became They fuck! They fuck! They fuck they fuck they fuck! The Buffy and Sikey Shooooooowwww!, I lost it. Too much of the shiny blonde thang tapped out my like of the character. When it became Spike the Vampire Layer, well, that wasn't the show I loved. It used to be that the world revolved around the slayer, and then the world revolved around the vampire, and the heroes journey turned into a twelve step program.

Also, again, so much potential, too many potentials.

I think that Angel's "death" was real in as much as it was real to Buffy. The emotional impact and all the feelings that brought, were real to her.

This is where I am, too, though I took many more words to express it less clearly. Actual death or not death (because, clearly, he didn't die -- or, well, he did die a long time ago -- but his existence didn't end when Buffy skewered him) isn't as important as the fact that she thought she killed him. So, yes, I agree with ita that she didn't actually kill him -- but that fact doesn't really affect what that moment meant to Buffy in the context of the story. IMO.