Eh, don't worry about it - I'm a little drowsy this morning myself.
I get confused. I remember everything. I remember too much, and... some of it's made up, and... some of it can't be quantified, and... there's secrets.
River ,'Safe'
Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.
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Katie M - Aug 15, 2003 7:24:26 am PDT #4626 of 10001
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies
DavidS - Aug 15, 2003 8:38:12 am PDT #4627 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Still not convinced that Willow did the wrong thing in bringing Buffy back, even though her motives were muddled and suspect. As far as I'm concerned one suffering Buffy is a small price to pay for world saving. I'd of dragged her out of heaven, and killed a herd of bambis, plus puppies and kittens to get her back.
The Scoobies watched Buffy personally save the world something like six times. The Hellmouth was still open. No rest for the Bufster.
Cindy - Aug 15, 2003 8:42:07 am PDT #4628 of 10001
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I don't know if Willow did the wrong thing as far as the fate of the world is concerned. But she did wrong. She did wrong by Buffy. She did wrong by her partners in crime. She did wrong in not investigating further. She did a lot of wrong, and knew she wasn't innocent of it - going in. This wasn't just a Willow oooops.
Also? Who's to say the world couldn't have been saved otherwise? There was no apocalypse in season 6 - except the one Willow almost brought on, herself. And her wrong may well have brought on the season 7 apocalypse.
Sean K - Aug 15, 2003 8:42:18 am PDT #4629 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
As far as I'm concerned one suffering Buffy is a small price to pay for world saving. I'd of dragged her out of heaven, and killed a herd of bambis, plus puppies and kittens to get her back.
Ah! But personalizing it doesn't make it right. You can be convinced or not convinced that Willow was wrong to do what she did, but whether you would do the same thing in the same situation has no bearing on the rightness or wrongness of the action in question.
§ ita § - Aug 15, 2003 8:44:23 am PDT #4630 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Who's to say the world couldn't have been saved otherwise?
Yup. And there was always Faith.
Lee - Aug 15, 2003 8:46:11 am PDT #4631 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.
I don't believe Willow did it to help out the world. She did it because she could, and because she wanted her friend back. I do believe she honestly thought Buffy was in hell, but I also think believing that served her own purposes.
Frankenbuddha - Aug 15, 2003 8:50:47 am PDT #4632 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
I do believe she honestly thought Buffy was in hell, but I also think believing that served her own purposes.
It's a Sunnydale tradition, in fact, to have beliefs that are conveniant to living in denial.
Allyson - Aug 15, 2003 8:54:54 am PDT #4633 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
I think she wanted to bring Buffy back from the dead, and convinced herself of the hell dimension in order to justify it. I mean, did they all think Joyce was in Hell? Or Jenny Calendar?
The Warrior of the People was more likely in Valahalla, no?
CarelessWithResurrection!Willow showed up after the Body, as well, by giving Dawn the book with the spell that could resurrect Joyce, without telling Tara, Buffy, or anyone. She left a kid who was on the edge of grief madness all alone with the knowledge of how to bring back Pet Semetary!Joyce.
Willow can be a real dick.
Steph L. - Aug 15, 2003 8:55:27 am PDT #4634 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism
Damn. I'm too practical as a viewer -- Willow had to bring back Buffy, or else there would have been no S6 and S7.
Although Buffy could have been brought back another way, through other means, by someone else.
But let me have my simplistic Cretin Viewer belief.
Fred Pete - Aug 15, 2003 9:05:56 am PDT #4635 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.
All four of them wanted Buffy back for personal reasons (although Tara and Anya may have wanted her back to make their SO's happy).
There was no apocalypse in season 6 - except the one Willow almost brought on, herself.
And Buffy wasn't able to prevent that apocalypse. Xander did.