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Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Sean K - Aug 15, 2003 8:42:18 am PDT #4629 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

As far as I'm concerned one suffering Buffy is a small price to pay for world saving. I'd of dragged her out of heaven, and killed a herd of bambis, plus puppies and kittens to get her back.

Ah! But personalizing it doesn't make it right. You can be convinced or not convinced that Willow was wrong to do what she did, but whether you would do the same thing in the same situation has no bearing on the rightness or wrongness of the action in question.


§ ita § - Aug 15, 2003 8:44:23 am PDT #4630 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Who's to say the world couldn't have been saved otherwise?

Yup. And there was always Faith.


Lee - Aug 15, 2003 8:46:11 am PDT #4631 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I don't believe Willow did it to help out the world. She did it because she could, and because she wanted her friend back. I do believe she honestly thought Buffy was in hell, but I also think believing that served her own purposes.


Frankenbuddha - Aug 15, 2003 8:50:47 am PDT #4632 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I do believe she honestly thought Buffy was in hell, but I also think believing that served her own purposes.

It's a Sunnydale tradition, in fact, to have beliefs that are conveniant to living in denial.


Allyson - Aug 15, 2003 8:54:54 am PDT #4633 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I think she wanted to bring Buffy back from the dead, and convinced herself of the hell dimension in order to justify it. I mean, did they all think Joyce was in Hell? Or Jenny Calendar?

The Warrior of the People was more likely in Valahalla, no?

CarelessWithResurrection!Willow showed up after the Body, as well, by giving Dawn the book with the spell that could resurrect Joyce, without telling Tara, Buffy, or anyone. She left a kid who was on the edge of grief madness all alone with the knowledge of how to bring back Pet Semetary!Joyce.

Willow can be a real dick.


Steph L. - Aug 15, 2003 8:55:27 am PDT #4634 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Damn. I'm too practical as a viewer -- Willow had to bring back Buffy, or else there would have been no S6 and S7.

Although Buffy could have been brought back another way, through other means, by someone else.

But let me have my simplistic Cretin Viewer belief.


Fred Pete - Aug 15, 2003 9:05:56 am PDT #4635 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.

All four of them wanted Buffy back for personal reasons (although Tara and Anya may have wanted her back to make their SO's happy).

There was no apocalypse in season 6 - except the one Willow almost brought on, herself.

And Buffy wasn't able to prevent that apocalypse. Xander did.


§ ita § - Aug 15, 2003 9:06:47 am PDT #4636 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Willow had to bring back Buffy so a) there could be more Buffy and b) so that we could see she was arrogant and sliding to the dark side.


DavidS - Aug 15, 2003 9:21:14 am PDT #4637 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Who's to say the world couldn't have been saved otherwise?

Sorry, but if I've been on Buffy's team I'm not going to trust this to the CoW or the slut-bomb with cleavage (who never saved the world once). The practical reasons alone are justification, even if they would be a betrayal of Buffy's friendship.


§ ita § - Aug 15, 2003 9:23:50 am PDT #4638 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

(who never saved the world once)

You're right. She didn't. Did any other slayers? Did the world end?