Willow had to bring back Buffy so a) there could be more Buffy and b) so that we could see she was arrogant and sliding to the dark side.
This girl at school? She told me that gelatin is made from ground-up cow's feet and that every time you eat Jell-O there's some cow out there limping around without any feet. But I told her that I'm sure the cow is dead before they cut its feet off, right?
Dawn ,'Never Leave Me'
Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.
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§ ita § - Aug 15, 2003 9:06:47 am PDT #4636 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
DavidS - Aug 15, 2003 9:21:14 am PDT #4637 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Who's to say the world couldn't have been saved otherwise?
Sorry, but if I've been on Buffy's team I'm not going to trust this to the CoW or the slut-bomb with cleavage (who never saved the world once). The practical reasons alone are justification, even if they would be a betrayal of Buffy's friendship.
§ ita § - Aug 15, 2003 9:23:50 am PDT #4638 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
(who never saved the world once)
You're right. She didn't. Did any other slayers? Did the world end?
Burrell - Aug 15, 2003 9:24:09 am PDT #4639 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!
Willow had to bring back Buffy so a) there could be more Buffy and b) so that we could see she was arrogant and sliding to the dark side.
I'm going to sit here with rational ita. Well, she'll sit, I'll be lying down on my side.
Will there be cabana boys, ita?
§ ita § - Aug 15, 2003 9:24:59 am PDT #4640 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Will there be cabana boys, ita?
Yes, and body pillows.
Sean K - Aug 15, 2003 9:26:31 am PDT #4641 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
The practical reasons alone are justification, even if they would be a betrayal of Buffy's friendship.
I empathize greatly with your position, Hec. I really do. But this still has no bearing on the rightness or wrongness of what our beloved peeps did.
Lyra Jane - Aug 15, 2003 9:43:24 am PDT #4642 of 10001
Up with the sun
I don't believe Willow did it to help out the world. She did it because she could, and because she wanted her friend back. I do believe she honestly thought Buffy was in hell, but I also think believing that served her own purposes.
This is where I am, too.
Burrell - Aug 15, 2003 9:46:27 am PDT #4643 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!
Ah lovely, cabana boys and body pillows. After my nap, could Pablo bring me a frothy coconut something to drink?
DavidS - Aug 15, 2003 9:51:35 am PDT #4644 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
But this still has no bearing on the rightness or wrongness of what our beloved peeps did.
Au contraire, it is certainly right by Utilitarian ethics. Even the Acceptable Losses standards drummed into the CoW and exhibited by both Giles and Wes. Though I don't think Giles would've had the heart to pull Buffy out of heaven. But I bet Wes would if he thought it would make a difference.
Frankenbuddha - Aug 15, 2003 9:59:10 am PDT #4645 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
I mean, did they all think Joyce was in Hell? Or Jenny Calendar?
Both of these were non-supernatural deaths. Buffy may have been dead (did they establish it one way or the other?) before she hit the ground and was closing a portal to what was expicitly stated as being a hell-dimension. I'm sure there was rationalizing going on - as I said, it's the Sunnydale way, even for our heroes sometimes (e.g. Giles thinking it had to be Jenny's ghost in IOHEFY) - but I think there was sincere belief mixed in.