What you did to me was unbelievable, Connor. But then I got stuck in a hell dimension by my girlfriend one time for a hundred years, so three months under the ocean actually gave me perspective. Kind of a M.C. Escher perspective, but I did get time to think.

Angel ,'Conviction (1)'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Fred Pete - Aug 15, 2003 9:05:56 am PDT #4635 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.

All four of them wanted Buffy back for personal reasons (although Tara and Anya may have wanted her back to make their SO's happy).

There was no apocalypse in season 6 - except the one Willow almost brought on, herself.

And Buffy wasn't able to prevent that apocalypse. Xander did.


§ ita § - Aug 15, 2003 9:06:47 am PDT #4636 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Willow had to bring back Buffy so a) there could be more Buffy and b) so that we could see she was arrogant and sliding to the dark side.


DavidS - Aug 15, 2003 9:21:14 am PDT #4637 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Who's to say the world couldn't have been saved otherwise?

Sorry, but if I've been on Buffy's team I'm not going to trust this to the CoW or the slut-bomb with cleavage (who never saved the world once). The practical reasons alone are justification, even if they would be a betrayal of Buffy's friendship.


§ ita § - Aug 15, 2003 9:23:50 am PDT #4638 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

(who never saved the world once)

You're right. She didn't. Did any other slayers? Did the world end?


Burrell - Aug 15, 2003 9:24:09 am PDT #4639 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Willow had to bring back Buffy so a) there could be more Buffy and b) so that we could see she was arrogant and sliding to the dark side.

I'm going to sit here with rational ita. Well, she'll sit, I'll be lying down on my side.

Will there be cabana boys, ita?


§ ita § - Aug 15, 2003 9:24:59 am PDT #4640 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Will there be cabana boys, ita?

Yes, and body pillows.


Sean K - Aug 15, 2003 9:26:31 am PDT #4641 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

The practical reasons alone are justification, even if they would be a betrayal of Buffy's friendship.

I empathize greatly with your position, Hec. I really do. But this still has no bearing on the rightness or wrongness of what our beloved peeps did.


Lyra Jane - Aug 15, 2003 9:43:24 am PDT #4642 of 10001
Up with the sun

I don't believe Willow did it to help out the world. She did it because she could, and because she wanted her friend back. I do believe she honestly thought Buffy was in hell, but I also think believing that served her own purposes.

This is where I am, too.


Burrell - Aug 15, 2003 9:46:27 am PDT #4643 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Ah lovely, cabana boys and body pillows. After my nap, could Pablo bring me a frothy coconut something to drink?


DavidS - Aug 15, 2003 9:51:35 am PDT #4644 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

But this still has no bearing on the rightness or wrongness of what our beloved peeps did.

Au contraire, it is certainly right by Utilitarian ethics. Even the Acceptable Losses standards drummed into the CoW and exhibited by both Giles and Wes. Though I don't think Giles would've had the heart to pull Buffy out of heaven. But I bet Wes would if he thought it would make a difference.