Oh, God. Oh, God. My hair. My hair! The government gave me bad hair!

Cordelia ,'The Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco'


All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

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Noumenon - May 11, 2003 3:06:00 am PDT #4606 of 9843
No other candidate is asking the hard questions, like "Did geophysicists assassinate Jim Henson?" or "Why is there hydrogen in America's water supply?" --defective yeti

That is exactly the kind of site I was looking for, Ple. I knew you were the expert to ask. I had a little trouble figuring out that the result loaded in the "menu" frame, there.

I think I need to subscribe to find out what my friend asked me, which is okay. I think he wants to know about half-brothers or half-sisters of his horse, so I need to do a progeny search. He told me the

  • "grandmom": Sugs Gay Lady
  • "grandad": Dash For Cash
  • "mom": Good Judgement [sic]
  • "dad": Roll the Cash
  • Look in the sib group that has:
    • Miss Clabber Do
    • Joe Reed
    • Chicano Sizzler
    • Leo II

It looks like most of these horses haven't been reported to the database yet [Edit: probably because it's some no-'count rodeo thing, not racing], but it's still a find. Thanks.


Cindy - May 11, 2003 7:30:39 am PDT #4607 of 9843
Nobody

(IIRC, A. C. Bradley once wrote an essay called "Where was Hamlet when his father died?"--the kind of thing that used to give Shakespeare scholars sleepless nights in the olden days.)

Oh! Shakespeare is the spirit sire of Xander's Lie!


Theodosia - May 11, 2003 8:03:16 am PDT #4608 of 9843
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Am I the only one here that's read Thurber's "The MacBeth Murder Mystery"? Highly recommended, unfortunately, it's not out of copyright, so you have to go read it at a library....


Angus G - May 11, 2003 8:26:06 am PDT #4609 of 9843
Roguish Laird

Fay, I feel exactly the same ambivalence. Part of what makes me resent the Angel/Cordy love thing (apart from the fact that I find it implausible in itself) is that I enjoyed the Angel/Cordy friendship so much.

And for the record, I'm very very pro queer readings of Shakespeare and all early modern texts--but preferably ones that acknowledge that same-sex desire won't necessarily occur in the same contexts (close friendships between "equals") where we would tend to look for it these days.


Am-Chau Yarkona - May 11, 2003 8:56:50 am PDT #4610 of 9843
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

Where's slash, where's not... it's tricky. At the moment, I have to take it on a case by case basis, imagine it both ways round, and even then I can change my mind quite readily.

preferably ones that acknowledge that same-sex desire won't necessarily occur in the same contexts (close friendships between "equals") where we would tend to look for it these days.

Would you care to expand on where it would occur? You've got me interigued.

And while we're on the subject, has anyone read Robert Nye Mrs Shakespeare, The Complete Works ? It's RPF, with a good dose of RPS. And stylistically quite good, IMHO.


Cashmere - May 11, 2003 9:05:24 am PDT #4611 of 9843
Now tagless for your comfort.

And while we're on the subject, has anyone read Robert Nye Mrs Shakespeare, The Complete Works ? It's RPF, with a good dose of RPS. And stylistically quite good, IMHO.

I have The Late Mr. Shakespeare and loved it. Must. Get. This.


Angus G - May 11, 2003 9:05:56 am PDT #4612 of 9843
Roguish Laird

Am-Chau--the very short and oversimplified version: traditionally, in Western cultures, sex between men happened most frequently in strongly hierarchical contexts, whether the hierarchy was of age, of status, of power or of class. (Of course this was also true, by definition, of sex between men and women.)


Theodosia - May 11, 2003 9:07:13 am PDT #4613 of 9843
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Is Nye a British-type author? I don't believe I've heard of him.


Am-Chau Yarkona - May 11, 2003 9:13:22 am PDT #4614 of 9843
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

I have The Late Mr. Shakespeare and loved it. Must. Get. This.

Do, Cashmere-- who's The Late Mr. Shakespeare by, BTW? I haven't read that.

the very short and oversimplified version: traditionally, in Western cultures, sex between men happened most frequently in strongly hierarchical contexts, whether the hierarchy was of age, of status, of power or of class. (Of course this was also true, by definition, of sex between men and women.)

So (thinks, picks random examples) Romeo/Mercutio (equals) is less likely than Olivia/Viola (unequal power)?


Am-Chau Yarkona - May 11, 2003 9:17:43 am PDT #4615 of 9843
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

Theo: Googles Yes, British, so it says here.

This provides a biblography, a quick glance at which reveals that I'm an idiot, as he wrote The Late Mr. Shakespeare as well as Mrs Shakespeare: The Complete Works.