'War Stories'
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Fay, I feel exactly the same ambivalence. Part of what makes me resent the Angel/Cordy love thing (apart from the fact that I find it implausible in itself) is that I enjoyed the Angel/Cordy friendship so much.
And for the record, I'm very very pro queer readings of Shakespeare and all early modern texts--but preferably ones that acknowledge that same-sex desire won't necessarily occur in the same contexts (close friendships between "equals") where we would tend to look for it these days.
Where's slash, where's not... it's tricky. At the moment, I have to take it on a case by case basis, imagine it both ways round, and even then I can change my mind quite readily.
preferably ones that acknowledge that same-sex desire won't necessarily occur in the same contexts (close friendships between "equals") where we would tend to look for it these days.
Would you care to expand on where it would occur? You've got me interigued.
And while we're on the subject, has anyone read Robert Nye Mrs Shakespeare, The Complete Works ? It's RPF, with a good dose of RPS. And stylistically quite good, IMHO.
And while we're on the subject, has anyone read Robert Nye Mrs Shakespeare, The Complete Works ? It's RPF, with a good dose of RPS. And stylistically quite good, IMHO.
I have The Late Mr. Shakespeare and loved it. Must. Get. This.
Am-Chau--the very short and oversimplified version: traditionally, in Western cultures, sex between men happened most frequently in strongly hierarchical contexts, whether the hierarchy was of age, of status, of power or of class. (Of course this was also true, by definition, of sex between men and women.)
Is Nye a British-type author? I don't believe I've heard of him.
I have The Late Mr. Shakespeare and loved it. Must. Get. This.
Do, Cashmere-- who's The Late Mr. Shakespeare by, BTW? I haven't read that.
the very short and oversimplified version: traditionally, in Western cultures, sex between men happened most frequently in strongly hierarchical contexts, whether the hierarchy was of age, of status, of power or of class. (Of course this was also true, by definition, of sex between men and women.)
So (thinks, picks random examples) Romeo/Mercutio (equals) is less likely than Olivia/Viola (unequal power)?
Theo: Googles Yes, British, so it says here.
This provides a biblography, a quick glance at which reveals that I'm an idiot, as he wrote The Late Mr. Shakespeare as well as Mrs Shakespeare: The Complete Works.
No, I'm just talking about men. Women didn't officially have a sexuality so they could get away with more! (Or something.)
So, slash and femslash are completely different issues here?
Right.
That makes a lot of sense, actually, but it makes coming up with examples harder. Plus the fact that the Shakespeare plays I've studied in enough detail to feel I know them as slashable canon are few. Romeo/Mercutio (equal) vs. Romeo/Paris (unequal, and possibly based on a false assumption regarding the actual text)? Julius/Brutus (nearly-equals) vs. Cassius/Pindarus (very unequal-- Pindarus is a servant if not a slave)?
edit: or should I just shut up already?
but the whole damned point for me is that Sam's relationship with Frodo is not selfish
Mmmm. Not having been in it, I could be talking rubbish here, but what about being in Love with someone makes it intrinsically more selfish than being friends?