It used to be that the world revolved around the slayer, and then the world revolved around the vampire, and the heroes journey turned into a twelve step program.

Best way of wording it, ever.

It used to be that the world revolved around the slayer, and then the world revolved around the vampire, and the heroes journey turned into a twelve step program.

Worth saying again. Not enough WROD in the world.

For the record, 3, 2, 1, 4, 7, 5, 6.

Kat Perez, ma sistah with the Gift hatred. If I get a monk's spell wish, I want the monks to erase themselves out of existence. Bye Dawnie! Oh, and take Season Asspull of Biblical Proportions with you too.

Allyson speaks many of the things that are in my heart. Sure, I'm not quite the seething cauldron of rage, but she nails it. Yep, there are bright moments to be had, but when you've had a love so pure as Season 3, starving on the scraps of affection at the end is a bitter fate.

I'm catching up on a couple weeks of this thread, so here's where I get to say that I'd be willing to sacrifice Angel and Firefly for 4 or 5 seasons of great Buffy with Joss' head exploding at the end. I mean, I'll take what I can get, but them's my druthers. Greenwalt stays too. For some reason I think of him as the Gene Coon of ME.

I get to say that I'd be willing to sacrifice Angel and Firefly for 4 or 5 seasons of great Buffy with Joss' head exploding at the end

You are dead to me.

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I get to say that I'd be willing to sacrifice Angel and Firefly for 4 or 5 seasons of great Buffy with Joss' head exploding at the end

You are dead to me.

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I'm sorry, ita. Here's my perspective: I love A:TS, but it would have been alright for me if Angel had just walked away at the end of GD, if that meant more Jossian goodness in S4&5 (the ones that exist in my world). I've only seen a couple of eps of Firefly. I'm looking forward to the reruns starting here on September 8th (in their entirety because the Programmer at Space is a true SF guy and an excellent fellow).

But BtVS is the one true show for me. I'd sacrifice a lot more than Angel and Firefly if I could get do-overs on the last 3 seasons.

if I could get do-overs on the last 3 seasons.

A lot of it -- for me -- is The Dawn Factor. Now, I think she turned out to be a good actress and a reasonably interesting character *in S5* (although asspully, although being a mega-asspull was the point -- sister! out of nowhere!).

But I love the first 4 seasons beyond reason, and a big part of why I don't love S5-7 is the shift that occurred after Dawn came on the scene.

I just can't give up the wine cellar full of lawyers, or Tim killing people, or Zoe. I enjoyed Buffy, from extremely to enough, but I'm really glad I got to see the Jossian touch in different lights.

Wrod, Tep. I really didn't need to see Mom!Buffy...I thought those parts were a drag.(Not that I hated later seasons...I started watching off of a Season 5 ep, after all.)

Season 5 was great and would have been an excellent way to end the series. In Season 6, the show started to suffer but had bright spots. Season 7 was just frustrating and irritating.

You Dawn haters are all brutal, uncaring people, who have never had a thirteen year old sister mystically appear out of nowhere in your lives.

I can't believe I associate with such callous, heartless people.

My question about sacraficing Angel and Firefly for all-Joss-all-the-time on Buffy came back up! Kewl. (I was against it on grounds of not wanting a super crazy Joss BTW.)

I was actually just piping up to say I went from a serious Dawn hater to an extreme fan of the shiny haired one. I love me some Dawnie and one of things that pisses me off the most is how she got shafted in S7 (even down to all her great lines getting cut in Chosen - "Nobody gets me" should have been the One True Dawn Quote).