Would it be any different for Hillary? I honestly think that unless there's a tectonic shift in the Republican culture aggressive obstruction and wild misrepresentation of Democratic policies is going to be the norm.

I don't know. At some point it's got to stop working for them (I hope). They already created the beast that is Trump with their constant stoking of fear and anger among their voter base. They're either going to lose their party to him and his ilk, cause the Trumpites and Tea Partiers to break off into their own faction, or learn their lesson and actually try govern in good faith rather than demonizing anyone who disagrees with them.

Hopefully they'll realize option three is their best choice.

It won't turn into Mad Max at all.

I would start hoarding silver spray paint, but you can't buy spray paint in Chicago.

I honestly think that unless there's a tectonic shift in the Republican culture aggressive obstruction and wild misrepresentation of Democratic policies is going to be the norm.

Which is why everyone should be paying close attention to all the races, not just the presidential.

I just finished my candidate research (3 pages of judges!) and am ready to cast my ballot in the morning. I had the tv on for the evening news and omg the ads. I think every single ad was political.

At some point it's got to stop working for them

I see no evidence of that yet

I want her and Bill smirking at each other from opposite sides of the Bible during the Oath of Office. And the Chief Justice dying of outrage.

I want her and Bill in 42 and 45 hats, like the Bushes did.

I think Hilary's got enough dirt on people to make enough of them behave to break some of the stranglehold. And unfortunately, a white president will deflate some of the buffoons. Still, a Jewish Socialist Democrat vs. a female Clinton. Apoplexy in the idiot circles.

No matter if it's Sanders or Clinton, the GOP will be just as obstructionist as they have been for the last 8 years. Unless there's some way to break the coalition, by (say) appealing to the actual working class whites who have been left behind by globalization.

But working class white resentment is only half economics: it's also race-based, and I don't know whether a new New Deal would be enough to shift their tribalism.

You are so right, Consuela

As a purely cool thing, it would be wild to have Hillary as president and Bill, a former president himself, as her first man. First gentleman? What's the equivalent of lady?

The Tramp?

I'll definitely vote for whichever Dem gets the nomination in November. But I went out the first early voting day and voted for Bernie. I saw what NAFTA and similar did to my two home states, and I think the TPP will be that on steroids. I have no faith that H. Clinton will veto it should it get to her desk. I like Bernie's environmental record better, and I appreciate him saying that a vote for war needs to damn well include proper veterans' health funding. And he's repeatedly come down on the side of teachers unions (among others), unions which helped ensure that my parents didn't have to live on my sofa after they retired. Basically, he's ideologically almost everything I want in a leader. And if the Republicans are gonna obstruct (and they will, regardless), I say let's give them something worth obstructing. Bernice's been in the political trenches quite a while. I think he has as good a chance of making things work as Clinton.

What's the equivalent of lady?

The Tramp?

billytea made me snorfle my morning cuppa.