Nothing worse than a monster who thinks he's right with God.

Mal ,'Heart Of Gold'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - Nov 28, 2011 12:48:59 pm PST #8895 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But, in what I've seen of the world, so is no sex until marriage.

However, I think no sex until marriage is okay as long as it's really only your penis or vagina it's important about. Porn as adultery is usually about someone else's "sex" life. But, if it's about your relationship, and it's a shared understanding, it's all good. It's when it's leveraged against an unwilling external party that I get pissy.

I wish I'd had lunch.

I wish my lien release had actually needed to be a lien release. Because then it would be resolved in 2-3 days, instead of the projected 2-3 weeks.

eta:

Teefury is bad, apparently...

Seriously? That's wack, man.


Consuela - Nov 28, 2011 12:51:48 pm PST #8896 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Well, the teefury page never loaded and I had to use the task manager to close IE, and then Outlook stopped working...


Burrell - Nov 28, 2011 12:51:51 pm PST #8897 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Thanks all. I was just surprised by it and wondered if they had gone and changed the definition of infidelity on me. Glad to see that it was a case of student kinda right, me kinda right.


Cass - Nov 28, 2011 12:54:53 pm PST #8898 of 30001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

However, I think no sex until marriage is okay as long as it's really only your penis or vagina it's important about. Porn as adultery is usually about someone else's "sex" life. But, if it's about your relationship, and it's a shared understanding, it's all good. It's when it's leveraged against an unwilling external party that I get pissy.

I hadn't thought of it from exactly that perspective. I think the porn issue is, if we're honest, about the masturbation assumed to follow or accompany the porn. Or the intentional viewing of a nekkid person one isn't supposed to be wanting to look at. It's not that porn exists, it is the utilization. Orgasms all unsanctioned by the relationship or church or whatever.


Connie Neil - Nov 28, 2011 12:55:34 pm PST #8899 of 30001
brillig

I always want to ask those "pornography is horrible and demeans women!" people if man on man porn is similarly demeaning to women. I seem to get yelled at whenever I try it.


Kathy A - Nov 28, 2011 12:59:11 pm PST #8900 of 30001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Baby ponies--so cute!

I'm home an hour early, but couldn't unload on my mom since she was at her home, decompressing after a busy day with a friend and a glass of wine.

I need wine.

So, to relax, I instead pulled out my camera and took pics of all my Christmas decor I arranged on Friday, and my cat who is currently curled up under the tree on the tree skirt that she apparently believes I bought specifically for her. It's the first time this tree has had a skirt since I got it, and she's loving the brocade. I just hope she doesn't discover the tassels, at least not as potential chew toys.


§ ita § - Nov 28, 2011 1:01:27 pm PST #8901 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Masturbation as infidelity? Seriously? I feel all naive, asking that question. I didn't know what was anywhere near a held opinion, but significant numbers. Not like porn as infidelity.

I just copped to something in our project to the risk management people that might put the project under a spotlight. Oh, man, that was...not my place.

Well, the teefury page never loaded and I had to use the task manager to close IE, and then Outlook stopped working...

Huh. Double huh.


Allyson - Nov 28, 2011 1:12:34 pm PST #8902 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I corrected it to ado in track changes and sent it back to the writer. If she wants to change it back I will not know and therefore won't have to cringe.

I'm writing. I took the afternoon off to deal with this shit. This shit will be done.

No it won't.

It will never be done. And I am going to fail. My anxiety levels are through the roof. Calm vibes. Calm writing vibes. And a beta reader who has a soothing voice. Cerulean blue is a gentle breeze.


Cass - Nov 28, 2011 1:15:19 pm PST #8903 of 30001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

I always want to ask those "pornography is horrible and demeans women!" people if man on man porn is similarly demeaning to women. I seem to get yelled at whenever I try it.

Well, the ones I know are pretty much just against the extracurricular sex, so I have no idea.

Masturbation as infidelity? Seriously? I feel all naive, asking that question.

From what I have gathered - and I am not claiming I asked a metric ton of insightful questions, just an hour of conversation - it isn't the masturbation that was the issue. It was having it be rather interactive with the porn or the idea of the people in the porn. It wasn't random wank, it was the imagined scenario that caused consternation.

To me, I'd be more worried about a relationship if the other person was actively and rampantly fantasizing about someone else specific. But that's me.


Cass - Nov 28, 2011 1:17:06 pm PST #8904 of 30001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

It will never be done. And I am going to fail. My anxiety levels are through the roof. Calm vibes.

It will be done. You will succeed. I hope your anxiety levels go down...