You got all kinds of learnin' and you made me look the fool without tryin', and yet here I am with a gun to your head. That's 'cause I got people with me. People who trust each other, who do for each other, and ain't always lookin' for the advantage.

Mal ,'Our Mrs. Reynolds'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


tommyrot - Feb 03, 2012 7:50:17 am PST #19964 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I think everyone should use "for the cure" in everything possible.

I'm about to go to the bathroom for the cure.


Amy - Feb 03, 2012 7:50:52 am PST #19965 of 30001
Because books.

Justice is what used to be Limited Too!, and is, as far as I can tell, excessively glittered and pink and mini-adult (if you're the kind of adult woman who would likely audition to be on The Bachelor -- ahem). I could be wrong, but my reaction to walking by the window in the mall is to RUN.


Connie Neil - Feb 03, 2012 7:51:22 am PST #19966 of 30001
brillig

"I'm for the cure. What? I like their music!"

Didn't Komen actually go after The Cure once?


Consuela - Feb 03, 2012 7:55:50 am PST #19967 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I think it's important that we, as a society working towards equal treatment of the sexes, not let feminism turn into a knee-jerk demonization of anything feminine.

Oh, absolutely. Took me a long time to learn that, when I was younger: that the way to be a feminist was not to denigrate things which were associated with femininity.

But it is a complicated problem, because we so end up with these little boxes instead: feminine (pink, dresses, glitter, ponies) here, and masculine (blue, overalls, dinosaurs, trucks) there, and hardly anyone is allowed to pick from both boxes at once. And you're right--definitely not boys.

But that brings me back around to the source of it all, which is that things which are associated with femininity are inherently less valuable than things which are associated with masculinity. Girls can "level up" by going masculine (to a point), but boys are not allowed to go feminine, because that's a step "down". The subtext is that pink and glitter contaminate anything they touch with their dangerous femininity. And that's okay for girls, because they're already feminine, but not for boys.

Grr, argh.


brenda m - Feb 03, 2012 7:56:13 am PST #19968 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Hey Tom, that article you posted last night actually was helpful [for the cure]. I'm not sure exactly where things stand today - at a minimum we will be in "Performance Improvement Plan" territory, but, depending on my conversation with HR, it may be past that point now.

So unfun. K is really, really good at her job. She's my right hand in a lot of ways. She also has a manner that tends to get people's backs up, micromanages to the nth degree, and involves herself in all kinds of stuff that is not her concern. Ghastly as a people manager, in two different roles. Except for how she wasn't - after a year reporting to her, each and every one of them was a)nine times better at their job and poised to be star players and b)angry, hostile and in near revolt.


Consuela - Feb 03, 2012 7:57:46 am PST #19969 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

after a year reporting to her, each and every one of them was a)nine times better at their job and poised to be star players and b)angry, hostile and in near revolt

Oh, dear. That's tricky. How do you save that skill and ditch the problems?


tommyrot - Feb 03, 2012 7:59:11 am PST #19970 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Hey Tom, that article you posted last night actually was helpful [for the cure].

Cool! [for the cure]

I hope things turn out the best they can....


Toddson - Feb 03, 2012 7:59:28 am PST #19971 of 30001
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

In re pink - years ago I worked for an association for engineers and did their graphic design. On one piece, someone who'd taken a marketing seminar declared that red was the best color and, somehow, morphed that into pink.

The engineers hated it. Hated it so much that we got nasty comments about it for something like three years. So we never used anything approaching pink after that.


DavidS - Feb 03, 2012 8:00:14 am PST #19972 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

How do you save that skill and ditch the problems?

It's hard to get people to let go of the micromanaging. That's like trying to teach a dog to lay off the chicken bones. They're always gonna wanna.


Jesse - Feb 03, 2012 8:07:05 am PST #19973 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Honestly, though, girls dressed as pirates have much greater societal acceptance than boys dressed as princesses.

That's definitely true, although I'm surprised at how much crap Shiloh Jolie-Pitt gets.