Yeesh. I'm looking through Google Books preview of Be Careful Who You Love: Inside the Michael Jackson Case and it's pretty damning.

One excerpt, of a mother whose child spent time with MJ:

"I finally asked him what's going on? and he actually said 'I don't think anymore that Michael Jackson is great and I don't really like him much any longer.' And then [he] told me 'that guy is so weird. We danced together and then he touched my penis. And then he tried to kiss - he called it a "spittle kiss" since it was wet - ...and he didn't like that. 'That wasn't nice Mommy. You don't do that.' He doesn't trust anybody anymore."

There's a lot more like that. Jordie Chandler received a total settlement over $25 million.

Regarding Chandler's attorney, Larry Feldman:

"His wife, Jo Kaplan, ran a public interest firm that defended both victims of abuse and those accused of abuse. It was Kaplan that advised Feldman to get Jordie Chandler to Dr. Richard Gardner, the nation's preeminent expert on false accusations of sexual abuse, immediately. Kaplan explained that if young Chandler could "pass the Gardner smell test" it would be next to impossible for anyone to claim the boy's story was concocted. That's exactly what Larry Feldman did, and Dr. Gardner concluded the Chandler claim was true."

You know it's not just one or two claims. There are many, many, many instances and the details are consistent from story to story. There's plenty of corroboration among staff testimony that MJ did spend that alone time with the kids. You don't pay $25 million to get rid of a nuisance suit.

So were there many many settlements? Or did all those people just shrug and go away?

The guy I worked with, Trudy, molested dozens (probably more) kids over a 20-year period. These were kids from wealthy families in an elite school. None of them EVER told on him until years later--some of them are just coming forward now. [link]

I can imagine that kids with far less resources and education would be even less likely to speak up.

So were there many many settlements?

There was one large public settlement. We don't know what happened privately.

Anyway, I'm not interested in arguing the facts (such as they are) with you, Trudy. You've already come to a conclusion that I doubt will be swayed.

No, depression made me gain weight; happiness was supposed to help me lose weight and get in shape a little bit so that I can finally have a baby dammit.

Can you not conceive without losing weight? Don't get me started about how weight gain and loss are not end all be all indicators of health, wellness, and happiness...

Sorry to be all ranty, but I feel like I keep trying hard to improve myself, and it has been about as effective as banging my head against a wall.

Losing weight is increasingly difficult when medications are involved or as the body ages and changes. I recommend focusing on the healthy behaviors that make you feel good (exercise, yoga, meditation, eating fruits & veggies, drinking water, taking vitamins) and maybe not so much on the numbers on the scale.

Trudy, I'm with you, I'm just not interested in analyzing every potential move MJ did for signs of pedophilia, and which type of person is most likely to do what, and where did all the damaged kids go and who got bought off or what. But god help anybody who wants to do anything good for kids these days, because they'd better be walking around in a hazmat suit and talking to kids through a publically-monitored electronic channel from a couple of miles away.

You don't pay $25 million to get rid of a nuisance suit.

I think that in some instances, people do. Especially in instances of cases that involve crimes/actions that are particularly heinous. In the interview he did with Lisa Marie and Diane Sawyer he said that his attorneys told him, "We can't guarantee that you will be acquitted. Pay them and it goes away." That sounds very plausible to me. And it's easy to make stories sound consistent both when it has happened and when adults are coaching kids. I look at the cases in the 80's where so many people were arrested and jailed and their lives ruined because of false accusations and state-based witch hunts for pedophiles and child molesters.

I look at the cases in the 80's where so many people were arrested and jailed and their lives ruined because of false accusations and state-based witch hunts for pedophiles and child molesters.

Wrod. Witness the "Satanists are killing our babies!" hysteria that pops up every now and then, and the FBI has done multiple studies to show it never happened.

I think it's possible that he molested children, but since it's never been proven, I wouldn't say he did beyond a reasonable doubt. Weird behavior? Sure. Would I let my kid spend the night at his home? Hell no. But I sure don't feel comfortable saying he was a molester. When a family takes money rather than taking it to court (and possibly saving other children if the person is a molester), you have to wonder a bit about their intentions.

A former co-worker of mine (Sue) had a daughter with leukemia who met Michael Jackson and it was a highlight of her (and my co-worker's) life. Sue had nothing but nice things to say about her experience with him. They were affiliated with the March of Dimes and MJ met with tons of terminally ill kids of multiple ages and both sexes. I think in many cases his heart was in the right place with regard to children. (Sue's daughter died at 13, BTW. So sad.)

Not weighing in on MJ, I don't know enough about it.

I look at the cases in the 80's where so many people

Wasn't the 80's the time of the recovered memories stuff?

Memory is so interesting. I know that it has been shown time and time again that human memory is very unreliable. It makes me wonder how many things in my life I remember might not have really happened or unfolded differently that I remember them doing.