Giles, if you would like to get by in American society, then you are going to have to follow our traditions. You're the patriarch. You have to host the festivities, or it's all meaningless.

Buffy ,'Sleeper'


Natter 60: Gone In 60 Seconds  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Glamcookie - Aug 18, 2008 11:10:09 am PDT #4041 of 10003
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

Ugh. Gift giving is so stressful. I wish my parents would give me a list because they a.) have everything they want/need and b.) are too hard to buy for. Then again, my mom always asks what I want and I almost always say, "I can't think of anything." Totally true. Though for my last b-day I did say there was a pair of shoes on Zappos that I wanted and, God bless her, she went on there and bought them even though she is majorly computer-challenged.

I have no problem with lists (or a specific suggestion), but find that I rarely have access to one or have one to offer. I tried a few years ago to have my mom take the money she would spend for my gift and purchase toys for Toys for Tots (which I would truly, honestly love), but she wouldn't go for it.

In related news, I picked up the most hilarious/perfect gift for my dad over the weekend. He's a HUGE Georgia Bulldogs fan and I came across this antique looking (read, not antique) clock with a bulldog on a cushion below it. So perfect! Bwah!


Steph L. - Aug 18, 2008 11:14:37 am PDT #4042 of 10003
I look more rad than Lutheranism

For our anniversary this year, E and I are having the apartment professionally cleaned. Seriously.

Oh my god. I think I just swooned. I would LOVE that.


brenda m - Aug 18, 2008 11:15:50 am PDT #4043 of 10003
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I just wasn't expecting so many people to actively disdain the use of lists when shopping for gifts, and be offended when asked for their gift preference.

I don't think you should feel like a shitheel, or that you're doing anything wrong or lesser at all.

But this:

I meant people who dislike being asked what they want, because that means the other person doesn't know you well enough to find a gift that suits you to a T and captures the essence of your relationship and commemorates whatever holiday it also happens to be.

is kind of loaded and might account for whatever tone you're picking up in the responses.

Because, apparently, if you buy books for people that don't read, you are calling them a moron and gift-wrapping it.

I did not know this! But I can already think of some people for whom shopping will be a lot more entertaining going forward.


beth b - Aug 18, 2008 11:15:58 am PDT #4044 of 10003
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

I'm not really into lists. But I think that is because I really don't have a lot of wants. DH says it is hard to shop for me -- because I don't say i want very often. I think I do -- but I rarely go on and on about it. and since I am not a big shopper, f I said I wanted some thing 6 months ago, I probably still haven't bought it. I do have an amazon wish list -- but no one seems to want to use it.( DH does and one of his brothers uses it). DH usually has a list of things he wants -- often tools -- and I usually get something off of it. But I like to find something that surprises him. My mom asks for lists -- but she doesn't necessarily mean anything will be bought off of it.

As a child -- we put together XMAS list-- but the y wer fantasy list -- everything was on on them. One year I got a doll that was on my list-- she rode a bike-- and I found she was rather boring and unfun and hard to play with -- plus batteries are uncuddely. And I found that want was more fun than get.

I have to say I feel rude asking for things. And I don't want anyone to feel obligated. DH is the only person that I really want a present from, but what I want from him are things like -- turning off both of the cellphones for a few hours. or a day where there are No social obligations.

But I also get that some people want to give me things - and they want to give me something I want. so I try to give an idea of somethings.

I love gift certificates. I see them as a double gift -- a chance to indulge myself and the actual item I buy. and for the difficult people -- giving a GC plus a little something else( favorite jam ) works.

I like giving gifts -- except a Christmas. It can be too overwhelming. But one of dh's brothers gave me a great idea. he gives consumable gifts -- food, magazines subscriptions, etc. that can be tossed when you are done with them. I give a lot of food gifts now Or things like LUSH. Or plants/flowers. Wreaths

My MIL often gives Omaha steaks. yum

My favorite thing to give -- books. and I'm good at it. 95% of the time I get people coming back to me saying how much they enjoyed the book.

I think gift giving can be complicated. and I don't think it should be. If you have a list -- cool. It gives me a place to start. A co-worker had a list of baby stuff. I bought stuff on her list and a whole bunch of board books that weren't on her list.


Jesse - Aug 18, 2008 11:17:49 am PDT #4045 of 10003
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

My mother asked me what food I wanted her to bring me when she comes in tomorrow. "Oh, whatever you want," I told her.

This is always the question when I go to my parents' -- what do I want to eat? Just yesterday, I saved my mother days of fretting when I told her I want some fried seafood over Labor Day. It's like a magic request, because it can turn into a whole day trip to the town where she grew up in RI for fried clams etc.


sumi - Aug 18, 2008 11:18:02 am PDT #4046 of 10003
Art Crawl!!!

I love it when I find a perfect gift for somebody - you see it and know it but so often I have no idea what people have or where their heads are at so a list is just helpful.


Nora Deirdre - Aug 18, 2008 11:20:36 am PDT #4047 of 10003
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

It's like a magic request, because it can turn into a whole day trip to the town where she grew up in RI for fried clams etc.

Aw, I wish it would turn into a day trip where you go to the North Shore!


Steph L. - Aug 18, 2008 11:22:53 am PDT #4048 of 10003
I look more rad than Lutheranism

But this:

I meant people who dislike being asked what they want, because that means the other person doesn't know you well enough to find a gift that suits you to a T and captures the essence of your relationship and commemorates whatever holiday it also happens to be.

is kind of loaded and might account for whatever tone you're picking up in the responses.

I was being snide, you're right. It doesn't help the discussion when I get all defensive.


Scrappy - Aug 18, 2008 11:25:26 am PDT #4049 of 10003
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

There's a big difference between not wanting to make a list and being happy with what you get (which is what our Buffistas-who-dislike-lists sound like), and knowing what you want and not telling people when they ask because they have to guess. My Ex MiL would NEVER say what she wanted about anyting. When she would come visit, I'd come up with a list of activities and she would say they all sounded fine. If I didn't have a list, she would feel slighted and ignored. Then, once we did them (like go to a certain restaurant I had mentioned) she'd have a terrible time and say things like "I don't like Chinese food." No matter what I did, I failed.

Signed,
Still Bitter


§ ita § - Aug 18, 2008 11:26:01 am PDT #4050 of 10003
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I saved my mother days of fretting when I told her I want some fried seafood over Labor Day

My mother brings the same things every time! I just want her not to put herself out! But we don't have the words to express that between us, so that explains the whole Gucci luggage thing instead.