DH and I have also apologized to each other in advance for the extreme bitchiness that is likely to result from the next three sleepless nightss.

Wise.

Also, yay with the slope! It's a good idea. I'm not as precise as all that, and am ...also lazy, so.

I was way lucky with all of the kids and sleeping, so take that as you will. I will send sleep vibes Dylan's way! And towards Iris and Casper and Owen and Liv and Matilda and Lillian ...

her body may actually be knowing What Is Right and not accepting that no juice fucking bullshit.

Ah, the Obesity Scare(TM): making "malnourished" the new "healthy."

her body may actually be knowing What Is Right and not accepting that no juice fucking bullshit.

yup.

I'm fairly anti-juice in my own home (it's nothing but empty calories, teaches kids that beverages need to be sugary, and what's wrong with just eating a piece of fruit???) and wouldn't object if a school lunchroom stopped offering it, but banning parents from sending their kids in with juice boxes is craxy with a capital CRAXY.

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Ah, the Obesity Scare(TM): making "malnourished" the new "healthy."

Okay, I'm not saying that juice is the root of all evils and parents who let their kids have juice boxes are abusive, but really, the vast majority of juice is nothing but sugar water. It's not nourishment.]

I cower and make obeisance in the direction of folks with the intestinal fortitude to raise kids right.

Well, we'll see if Aims and I manage the "right". For now I'm still focused on "alive each morning".

As for the Obesity business, I've learned (for the most part) to trust Em's gustatorial instincts. She wants juice...have at. Raw meat? Okey-doke. Toast? Hey, carbs are good stuff.

We do limit the candy, but I admit that's not so much about nutrition as it is about "If you get it all the time, I cannot use its novelty to bribe you to do my bidding."

eta: I just realized I'm biased on the juice thing. We get the 100% Orange Juice. We got apple juice once, and she didn't really like it. She's all about the OJ, though, as well as actual oranges and apples.

I'm fairly anti-juice in my own home (it's nothing but empty calories, teaches kids that beverages need to be sugary, and what's wrong with just eating a piece of fruit???)

I don't drink juice but I do eat whole fruit because I know how straight juice makes my blood sugar go bonkers. And if I had a kid, and could get the kid to eat whole fruit in lieu of juice, that would be good. That said --

banning parents from sending their kids in with juice boxes is craxy with a capital CRAXY.

Exactly.

Sleep training sounds good to me. Good luck. may Dylan be more co-operative than expected.

I thought the problem with juice was that it filled up little tummies and they didn't eat other things they needed? And aren't we supposed to be taking the battle away from the table?

Ah, the Obesity Scare(TM): making "malnourished" the new "healthy."

Okay, I'm not saying that juice is the root of all evils and parents who let their kids have juice boxes are abusive, but really, the vast majority of juice is nothing but sugar water. It's not nourishment.

Oh, my obesity rant isn't specifically juice-box-directed; it's just that in general, "malnourished" is becoming the new "healthy." Particularly for kids, which scares the crap out of me.

actually, it wasn't even juice boxes. it was 1/3 pear juice, 2/3 water. because I couldn't send milk. and she would go the whole day without drinking water. She's not there anymore - though I heard through channels that they've changed their position on what's available.

Jessica - heaps of admiration on you and Amy for figuring out a system.

Particularly for kids, which scares the crap out of me.

This I agree with - there's even vague rumblings going on now saying maybe we should encourage toddlers to drink low-fat milk (instead of whole, which is what's currently recommended). You know, because it's not like fats are necessary for brain development or anything.