Angel: Yeah, I never told anyone about this, but I-I liked your poems. Spike: You like Barry Manilow.

'Hell Bound'


Non-Fiction TV: I Reject Your Reality and Substitute My Own

This thread is for non-fiction TV, including but not limited to reality television (So You Think You Can Dance, Top Chef: Masters, Project Runway), documentaries (The History Channel, The Discovery Channel), and sundry (Expedition Africa, Mythbusters), et al. [NAFDA]


Amy - Jan 29, 2009 6:27:53 am PST #7829 of 23273
Because books.

Best was Tom calling him on it. "Come on, you choose her because ..."

I also loved how glad Tom seemed to be to see some of the old cheftestants. That was nice.

I'm sad about Jeff, though. I've really come to like him, and I think he just tries *too* hard. He's so serious about it, and overthinks himself right into the bottom almost every time.

Fabio was funny, as usual. And Carla winning the Superbowl tickets was priceless. Fun episode.


brenda m - Jan 29, 2009 6:36:31 am PST #7830 of 23273
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Jeff doesn't know how to edit. He does too much, and all of it is okay, instead of doing a few things well.

Except that very often, one of those four things he sets for himself actually is exceptional - like the sorbets, and some other things I can recall, but they get dragged down the other so-so things. Even more frustrating, in some ways, but if he wasn't showing those flashes of brilliance, caked in mud as they are, I don't think he'd still be around (or that we'd care if he was.)


Vortex - Jan 29, 2009 6:43:05 am PST #7831 of 23273
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Except that very often, one of those four things he sets for himself actually is exceptional

oh, good point.

Although I think that Fabio was bullshitting with the "waiting" issue (a medium rare meat does not turn overcooked in a few minutes if it was cooked properly), you could see some evidence of it with Jeff's sorbet melting.


Vortex - Jan 29, 2009 6:45:30 am PST #7832 of 23273
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Also, hot ceviche is bullshit. That was a shrimp salad with lime juice. The point of it being ceviche is that the shrimp is cooked in the acid, not on a damned stove. They both screwed the pooch on that one, but Josie's tasted better.


Kathy A - Jan 29, 2009 7:01:08 am PST #7833 of 23273
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Fabio was bullshitting with the "waiting" issue

Any cook knows that there is carry-over cooking happening with meat and factors that into the cooking time of the dish. That was pure bs he was spouting and he deservedly got whacked around for it.


sumi - Jan 29, 2009 7:01:13 am PST #7834 of 23273
Art Crawl!!!

One of Jeff's problems is that he was in the middle ALOT and didn't get that criticism UNTIL he was in the bottom.


Vortex - Jan 29, 2009 7:09:18 am PST #7835 of 23273
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Any cook knows that there is carry-over cooking happening with meat and factors that into the cooking time of the dish. That was pure bs he was spouting and he deservedly got whacked around for it.

exactly. There was no more waiting to taste his dish than there would have been for the waiter to carry the food to the table.


Jessica - Jan 29, 2009 7:13:39 am PST #7836 of 23273
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

One of Jeff's problems is that he was in the middle ALOT and didn't get that criticism UNTIL he was in the bottom.

I've heard from other former cheftestants that this is a real problem with being in the middle of the pack - you get almost no feedback until you really screw up.

The thing about carryover cooking is it's pretty much limited to big roasts (like a whole tenderloin) and bone-in presentations. A slice of fillet sitting on a plate isn't going to go from rare to medium no matter how much carryover time you give it.


sumi - Jan 29, 2009 7:58:09 am PST #7837 of 23273
Art Crawl!!!

Even if we didn't know that it was bs from general knowledge of cooking - when he was plating it up -- didn't he essentially say that one of his concerns was that he overcooked the meat?


lisah - Jan 29, 2009 8:57:53 am PST #7838 of 23273
Punishingly Intricate

- when he was plating it up -- didn't he essentially say that one of his concerns was that he overcooked the meat?

yes he did. He should have known better than to try to bullshit the judges about it! And what was his thing about about not using acids with cheeses? Huh??? I love you Fabio but huh????