Why the hell do so many people claim Buffy left Spike "to die" in the alley in Dead Things after the consentual smackdown/meltdown?

Cause they're looking for any excuse to ride the Buffy Is a Bitca bus?

Edit: Oh, because of the sun issue. Right.

Yeah, Dead Things is pretty much the key episode, it seems, for the argument that Buffy's an abusive user.

Which I maintain is a radical interpretation of the text fueled by a bag an hour crack habit.

Exclusive of Dead Things (where the violence was used differently), given that Spike and Buffy were both hot peeps with superpowers, and that one was, at the time of their affair, technically evil but not practicing, I'm always a little amazed that people are shocked at their habit of punching each other. In the "dude, don't you watch any other genre stuff or read comic books?" kind of way, because that's what Super People do.

Of course, he could've avoided the sun by sticking his head under a newspaper, so...

I'm always a little amazed that people are shocked at their habit of punching each other.

Well, people like that are so blinded by the "oh, he's the perfect boyfriend and she doesn't appreciate him" that they kind of forget the whole larger heroes-n-villians aspect of the entire 'verse. Pfeh.

In the "dude, don't you watch any other genre stuff or read comic books?" kind of way, because that's what Super People do.

::decides not to examine own superkink too closely::

::decides not to examine own superkink too closely::

Snerk.

I cannot count the number of times I've been tempted to just bang my head on the keyboard until my brain spills out at the reasoning.

I'm half-assedly working on charting the factual course of their relationship, with additional editorial "an examination of the text would seem to indicate that Episode X is where Spike/Buffy discovers Y about Buffy/Spike/his/her feelings/condition/situation".

I might even be bothered to make a scorecard for my own shits and giggles.

Cause they're looking for any excuse to ride the Buffy Is a Bitca bus

Buffy is a bitca. But Spike is hardly the innocent. Also, what amych said.

I'm always a little amazed that people are shocked at their habit of punching each other. In the "dude, don't you watch any other genre stuff or read comic books?" kind of way, because that's what Super People do.

Ah. See, this I disagree with. I don't give either of them a moral pass for being Super People, and I was increasingly disturbed by her habit of smacking Spike around every time she saw him pre-relationship. I mean, if he's evil and needs killing, kill him.

Narrator, do you have a superkink we should be aware of?

(Oh, wait. The other thing she said... nevermind.)

Yeah, Dead Things is pretty much the key episode, it seems, for the argument that Buffy's an abusive user.

Spike actually, in a nice bit of foreshadowing for Seeing Red, refused to let Buffy make her own decisions, and do what she felt she needed to do, and I believe, brought physical force to the scene, in that he wasn't letting her leave the alley, and this happened before she hit him.

They were in a sick, abusive relationship, which is why it was interesting. I don't understand why anyone needs to tally it up, oh yeah, except for those people who think attempted rape is really just "attempted sex."

Feh.

Don't read these people any more, Plei. You could be writing me some more Sunrise.

Narrator, do you have a superkink we should be aware of?

Does Xander. In a Speedo. Wet. count? Because Narrator's well known for that kind in places of Bronze.