Cause they're looking for any excuse to ride the Buffy Is a Bitca bus

Buffy is a bitca. But Spike is hardly the innocent. Also, what amych said.

I'm always a little amazed that people are shocked at their habit of punching each other. In the "dude, don't you watch any other genre stuff or read comic books?" kind of way, because that's what Super People do.

Ah. See, this I disagree with. I don't give either of them a moral pass for being Super People, and I was increasingly disturbed by her habit of smacking Spike around every time she saw him pre-relationship. I mean, if he's evil and needs killing, kill him.

Narrator, do you have a superkink we should be aware of?

(Oh, wait. The other thing she said... nevermind.)

Yeah, Dead Things is pretty much the key episode, it seems, for the argument that Buffy's an abusive user.

Spike actually, in a nice bit of foreshadowing for Seeing Red, refused to let Buffy make her own decisions, and do what she felt she needed to do, and I believe, brought physical force to the scene, in that he wasn't letting her leave the alley, and this happened before she hit him.

They were in a sick, abusive relationship, which is why it was interesting. I don't understand why anyone needs to tally it up, oh yeah, except for those people who think attempted rape is really just "attempted sex."

Feh.

Don't read these people any more, Plei. You could be writing me some more Sunrise.

Narrator, do you have a superkink we should be aware of?

Does Xander. In a Speedo. Wet. count? Because Narrator's well known for that kind in places of Bronze.

Ah. See, this I disagree with. I don't give either of them a moral pass for being Super People, and I was increasingly disturbed by her habit of smacking Spike around every time she saw him pre-relationship. I mean, if he's evil and needs killing, kill him.

I don't see it as a moral issue so much as a nod to genre tropes. To me, it's morally neutral and kind of funny, and very much Tom and Jerry.

Plus, it wound up backfiring on her, when Tom Spike hit back and discovered that gee, he could. And without that pesky pain.

Yeah, there are shows that I'd handle like that too. Buffy doesn't happen to be one of them, but I see where you're coming from.

Don't read these people any more, Plei. You could be writing me some more Sunrise.

But I was *soooooooo* sucked into the two hundred post Spike flamewar I found in Usenet archives. Sooooo sucked into it.

I *did* work on it yesterday.

Yeah, there are shows that I'd handle like that too. Buffy doesn't happen to be one of them, but I see where you're coming from.

I think I handle it like that because it seems like the show creators do. I mean, they're big old goobs, and it shows in the writing, especially on BtVS. (AtS, there are nods, but more in the offhand reference way than the actually making it onto the screen way.)

It seems that a lot of things I accept as neat genre twists piss people off (including the end of Chosen, with the Slayer Powering), so it could be that my POV is just overtly nerdy.

t struggles to comprehend concept of non-nerd POV

t fails