Today's stupid question is not prompted by anything in particular, just me showering and reflecting.

Why the hell do so many people claim Buffy left Spike "to die" in the alley in Dead Things after the consentual smackdown/meltdown? I've gone over and over the text, and except for the "We haven't seen him this beaten down since Glory had a go at him," I'm not seen where they're getting it. Hell, as there's a cut between her leaving the police station that night, and her getting the gang together the next morning, she could have dragged his ass back to the crypt in the mean time, and even if she didn't, I'm still not seeing the "horrible bitch left the woobie to die."

People say she left him to die?

Um, they know he's already dead, right?

Edit: Oh, because of the sun issue. Right.

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. That makes less sense that "I know how we'll torture the vampire who doesn't need to breath! Let's drown him!"

eta: Oh. Sun. Huh. I still never thought she was leaving him to die.

Why the hell do so many people claim Buffy left Spike "to die" in the alley in Dead Things after the consentual smackdown/meltdown?

Cause they're looking for any excuse to ride the Buffy Is a Bitca bus?

Edit: Oh, because of the sun issue. Right.

Yeah, Dead Things is pretty much the key episode, it seems, for the argument that Buffy's an abusive user.

Which I maintain is a radical interpretation of the text fueled by a bag an hour crack habit.

Exclusive of Dead Things (where the violence was used differently), given that Spike and Buffy were both hot peeps with superpowers, and that one was, at the time of their affair, technically evil but not practicing, I'm always a little amazed that people are shocked at their habit of punching each other. In the "dude, don't you watch any other genre stuff or read comic books?" kind of way, because that's what Super People do.

Of course, he could've avoided the sun by sticking his head under a newspaper, so...

I'm always a little amazed that people are shocked at their habit of punching each other.

Well, people like that are so blinded by the "oh, he's the perfect boyfriend and she doesn't appreciate him" that they kind of forget the whole larger heroes-n-villians aspect of the entire 'verse. Pfeh.

In the "dude, don't you watch any other genre stuff or read comic books?" kind of way, because that's what Super People do.

::decides not to examine own superkink too closely::

::decides not to examine own superkink too closely::

Snerk.

I cannot count the number of times I've been tempted to just bang my head on the keyboard until my brain spills out at the reasoning.

I'm half-assedly working on charting the factual course of their relationship, with additional editorial "an examination of the text would seem to indicate that Episode X is where Spike/Buffy discovers Y about Buffy/Spike/his/her feelings/condition/situation".

I might even be bothered to make a scorecard for my own shits and giggles.

Cause they're looking for any excuse to ride the Buffy Is a Bitca bus

Buffy is a bitca. But Spike is hardly the innocent. Also, what amych said.

I'm always a little amazed that people are shocked at their habit of punching each other. In the "dude, don't you watch any other genre stuff or read comic books?" kind of way, because that's what Super People do.

Ah. See, this I disagree with. I don't give either of them a moral pass for being Super People, and I was increasingly disturbed by her habit of smacking Spike around every time she saw him pre-relationship. I mean, if he's evil and needs killing, kill him.