You know, I've saved lives. Dozens. Maybe hundreds. I reattached a girl's leg. Her whole leg. She named her hamster after me. I got a hamster. He drops a box of money, he gets a town.

Simon ,'Jaynestown'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Fred Pete - Aug 27, 2003 5:43:53 am PDT #5251 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.

Chosen didn't equalize any balance of power, it tipped it rather monstrously in favor of, not women, but hundreds of teenage girls. You seriously believe that's not a recipe for disaster?

About the only thing we can be sure of is, it will have an effect -- and different people will react differently. Because eventually, word will get out that these women have special powers. And possibly, that the powers were originally intended for demon-fighting -- which means the world might be forced to face, squarely, the fact that demons exist.

Some men will be more careful around women generally. Some men will be resentful and take it out on the "normal" women around them (at least until they cross the path of the wrong woman -- "normal" here meaning "non-Slayer.").

Some women will be thrilled that the strongest people in the world are now women. Others will resent the Slayer strength. And still others will wonder what it all has to do with the fact that the gas bill is due.

Slayers will react differently. Rogue Slayers could easily lead to a civil war -- there would likely be more than one Faith. And it'll take time (assuming it's even possible) to find all the new Slayers.

Plus, now Slayers have the option of sitting it out. They don't have to get involved in the fight because others will be. And even the fighters can take a vacation.

With many consequences -- what if, instead of actual developments, Buffy had asked Melinda in LA to cover her territory for a month or so late in S4 while she went to Puerto Vallarta for spring break? Would Buffy have been so eager to take her dive at the end of "The Gift"? Would she have been better able to handle the problems of S6?


Frankenbuddha - Aug 27, 2003 5:47:48 am PDT #5252 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

That's because it is Jonathan.

D'oh!!!


Gandalfe - Aug 27, 2003 6:36:21 am PDT #5253 of 10001
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

Faith wouldn't have caused problems if Buffy would have just been nicer to her.

Think I can start a kerfuffle?

You'll have to find someone who disagrees with you first.

Well, then, just call me Mr Disagreeable. Faith had problems from the get-go. Maybe she wouldn't have gone over to the Mayor bad, or not so soon, but would she have stayed the so-good-she's-bad slayer forever? Not unless she'd died soon.


§ ita § - Aug 27, 2003 6:45:06 am PDT #5254 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

My god, I disagree with me. Buffy did as well as a teenaged girl did. Faith got where whe went on a lot ofher own steam.

As for girls better than boys -- what were we shown in the montage? All I remember is the chick defending herself (not a bad thing), and a girl gaining strength at the plate (where I'd assumed she was playing against other girls). I think it needed to percolate into real life -- we had a cavern full of potentials reach slayerhood fighting demons. It's the bit where it was everywhere, not just the paranormal that I felt needed be said.

It's not like Willow didn't imply they were going to round them all up and do good by them or anything.

Good luck to her with that, BTW.


Lee - Aug 27, 2003 6:51:14 am PDT #5255 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

My god, I disagree with me.

Huh. I just got an image of an ita vs ita kerfuffle, complete with krav moves. Now I have to explain to a couple of secretaries why I was laughing.


Frankenbuddha - Aug 27, 2003 6:54:03 am PDT #5256 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I just got an image of an ita vs ita kerfuffle,

"Kill us both, Spock."


JenP - Aug 27, 2003 7:10:35 am PDT #5257 of 10001

The storm here yesterday cut off all power to our building as I was in the middle of composing a post. Rude.

LittleHousefanfic.LittleHousefanfic. Manly/Pa, Nellie/Albert, Little House/Happy Days crossover fic

Gah! t shaky fist at tina

hundreds of teenage girls. You seriously believe that's not a recipe for disaster?

'NSync is screwed....

BWAH!!

One of my favorite things about the speech is that it acknowledged that Sunnydale as a whole knew that something was going on (why the hell did they stay?). The "we know that our school isn't like other schools" line satisfied one of my big issues with the show, which was how do these people not NOTICE this shit.

Plus, the "we're not friends", harkening back to "Earshot" was nice. and it was so "high school eloquent" - "When something weird happened, you seemed to show up and stop it".

Yep. I enjoyed the “OK, so we’re all pretty self-involved, and we live on that river in Egypt most of the time, and, yeah, it’s just a lame umbrella. But, thanks.”

And I'd add to the shed tear list Faith beating herself up in the church.

Yeah – that was something.

OK, well, so this is basically just a reaction post. I’m still miffed I got tossed off last night because of the storm, and for whatever reason, this makes me feel better. Cool storm, though. Except for the three seconds where my office was plunged into total darkness (not a window in sight) before the emergency lights went on. That was spooky.


Susan W. - Aug 27, 2003 8:45:00 am PDT #5258 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Hmm. I love Chosen so much because I allegorized the Slayer empowerment scene, big time, almost from the moment I watched it. One thing I've been thinking about a lot the past couple of years, to the point where it's a running theme in my own fiction, is the importance of being willing and able to take power when it's offered to you, to make a way for yourself to be strong and follow your dreams. So Buffy's speech struck a chord for me, and every time I decide (and it is an ongoing process) that I'm not going to let anything stop me from finishing my novel and then starting my next one, that I'm going to find a way not to have to come back to this job after the baby is born, that I should make another donation to MoveOn or the Dean campaign, one of the encouraging voices in my head is Buffy's, saying "Make your choice. Are you ready to be strong?"

I know, I know. Big sap right here.


HoyaSaxa - Aug 27, 2003 4:13:39 pm PDT #5259 of 10001
Diablo Robotico Up.

"Slayers will react differently. Rogue Slayers could easily lead to a civil war -- there would likely be more than one Faith. And it'll take time (assuming it's even possible) to find all the new Slayers."

I've fanwanked on this one before, Mr. Fred. I think we may be due, in one way or another, for the Slayers to start fighting each other. That brings with it a Highlander dynamic.

I've extended the theory to conclude that the reason that Melaka Fray is the "lone" slayer in the "Fray" comic is because the Slayers killed off both demons and other Slayers. I think what Buffy S7 did well was to project the kind of instability involved when so many egos (Slayers, potentials) collide.


askye - Aug 28, 2003 5:56:42 am PDT #5260 of 10001
Thrive to spite them

My friend just told me she saw an ad on WB that they are going to show Buffy on Sundays from the beginning, is this true?