What you did to me was unbelievable, Connor. But then I got stuck in a hell dimension by my girlfriend one time for a hundred years, so three months under the ocean actually gave me perspective. Kind of a M.C. Escher perspective, but I did get time to think.

Angel ,'Conviction (1)'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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JenP - Aug 19, 2003 10:42:15 am PDT #4931 of 10001

Came back to school in eighth grade with a Willow-instilled sense of self-confidence and a whole new kind of geeky.

Makes me wonder how I would've felt about the show if I'da had it back then (back then in me-time). Be fun to sneak the tapes back in time with me and show them to myself then and see what I thought. Except, you know, then I'd be spoiled for all kinds of culturally reference-y things. Although -- that could be good, too, because maybe I could have avoided things like Episode 1 (bad). And, heh -- I'd have some other key messages to give myself, too, but that's a whole 'nother thing.

eta: x-posty w/ Cindy


DavidS - Aug 19, 2003 10:44:49 am PDT #4932 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

This seriously made me sniffle. I wish there'd been a BtVS when I was younger. I really needed it.

Awww, you turned out okay.


Holli - Aug 19, 2003 10:46:26 am PDT #4933 of 10001
an overblown libretto and a sumptuous score/ could never contain the contradictions I adore

And I turned out warped on a fundamental level, so maybe you were better off without.


esse - Aug 19, 2003 10:48:40 am PDT #4934 of 10001
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

I was more enamored with Dawson's Creek for a long time, but the WB was the golden channel to me when I was a teenager (nineteen is not teenaged. it's almost drinking-aged. there's a difference) and I watched it every night religously. So, like, I knew everything that went on but I wasn't addicted. I cried like a baby at The Gift, and I'd watched steadily from Welcome to the Hellmouth to The Gift, with a short bypass in season four 'cause I thought it Buffy was acting to stupid to live. (I have since edited my opinion.) I really only got back into it with the musical episode and the Year of Boredom that was my senior year of high school. Plus, we didn't get UPN, so I had to beg off tapes from a school friend.

Then I found my friend Lee, who had her husband instal an antennae on the roof so she could get UPN, and watched with her. Sometime in fall term I'd discovered fanfiction, by January I'd discovered Herself, and she linked me to WX. Became a Buffista, never looked back.

I'm starting my relationship with Angel, though I started watching again in Season Three. I lost Angel when I shied away from Buffy, so I missed a lot of the first and second seasons.


JenP - Aug 19, 2003 10:50:32 am PDT #4935 of 10001

And I turned out warped on a fundamental level, so maybe you were better off without.

I'd wager that Warped by Buffy=Not a Bad Thing.


erikaj - Aug 19, 2003 10:54:39 am PDT #4936 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

If I had it when I was 10, I'd never have had a hard time picking a Halloween costume.


Sean K - Aug 19, 2003 11:00:53 am PDT #4937 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Came back to school in eighth grade with a Willow-instilled sense of self-confidence and a whole new kind of geeky.

This seriously made me sniffle. I wish there'd been a BtVS when I was younger. I really needed it.

No. Shit. Cindy. (to the whole thing, I got sniffly, too)

I wonder how different my high school years could have been with a Rosenberg/Harris role model set.

And I turned out warped on a fundamental level, so maybe you were better off without.

HOLLI, NO!!!!

Your fundamental warpedness (along with the warpedness of our other young'uns - Hil, SA, RLiz, there's somebody else I'm forgetting...) is our HOPE FOR THE FUTURE OF HUMANITY!!!

It's a good thing. I promise.


Frankenbuddha - Aug 19, 2003 11:06:38 am PDT #4938 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

But particularly Passion as it shows a major supporting character death. I can't think of anything that would shatter my friends illusion of Buffy as a goofy teen show than to show him that they are perfectly happy to kill a fairly major character and deal with the consequences.

My one caveat is that if you don't know who Jenny is, the impact isn't nearly as big.

First episode was Bad Eggs. I wasn't impressed, although some of the lines were funny (especially the opening in the mall) and I got the Gorch brothers reference, which I thought was a nice touch.

Still, I gave it another shot the following week - Surprise. Then Innocence followed. That pretty much did it. I refrained from taping for longer than I should have, but I've more than made up for it since.


Sean K - Aug 19, 2003 11:15:59 am PDT #4939 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

My one caveat is that if you don't know who Jenny is, the impact isn't nearly as big.

I'm willing to live with it. He'll know what he needs to know just from watching the episode and a setence's worth of setup - Jenny is Giles' girlfriend, and has been a cherished recurring character up until now, not just Giles' girlfriend of the week.

There's just no way to recreate the emotional investment in Jenny for him, I think. Heck, I never went through it. I got the recap myself after the fact, when MM and Aimee were giving me the gist of What Had Gone Before, during the commercial breaks in Anne.


billytea - Aug 19, 2003 11:32:48 am PDT #4940 of 10001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

My one caveat is that if you don't know who Jenny is, the impact isn't nearly as big.

Ah, but I didn't know. It still floored me. The ep itself contains all you need to know about her relationship with Giles to feel it in your gut.