But particularly Passion as it shows a major supporting character death. I can't think of anything that would shatter my friends illusion of Buffy as a goofy teen show than to show him that they are perfectly happy to kill a fairly major character and deal with the consequences.

My one caveat is that if you don't know who Jenny is, the impact isn't nearly as big.

First episode was Bad Eggs. I wasn't impressed, although some of the lines were funny (especially the opening in the mall) and I got the Gorch brothers reference, which I thought was a nice touch.

Still, I gave it another shot the following week - Surprise. Then Innocence followed. That pretty much did it. I refrained from taping for longer than I should have, but I've more than made up for it since.

My one caveat is that if you don't know who Jenny is, the impact isn't nearly as big.

I'm willing to live with it. He'll know what he needs to know just from watching the episode and a setence's worth of setup - Jenny is Giles' girlfriend, and has been a cherished recurring character up until now, not just Giles' girlfriend of the week.

There's just no way to recreate the emotional investment in Jenny for him, I think. Heck, I never went through it. I got the recap myself after the fact, when MM and Aimee were giving me the gist of What Had Gone Before, during the commercial breaks in Anne.

My one caveat is that if you don't know who Jenny is, the impact isn't nearly as big.

Ah, but I didn't know. It still floored me. The ep itself contains all you need to know about her relationship with Giles to feel it in your gut.

We have a number of X-Files fans here who migrated as it descended into crapulence.

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I blame several ex-Phile Buffistas for sucking me in. Blame, owe toasters, whatever. (Btw, why toasters? Why not a microwave? Or a coffee grinder? I've always wondered.)

I started after The Body aired, because of the web-wide critical praise. The only other ep I had seen prior to that was parts of Reptile Boy, and boy, I was not impressed. I started with the season 1&2 VHS boxsets, and was instantly hooked. Wepted like a leaky faucet at Jenny's death although I had no idea who the hell she was, since she wasn't featured at all in the S1 set (They didn't have Prophecy Girl in the S1 box set! That's pretty cracked, I tell you.) Then I started watching late S5 in real time. I believe Intervention was the first episode I watched, which may explain why I feel so freaking ambivalent about Spike's character, even now.

(Btw, why toasters? Why not a microwave? Or a coffee grinder? I've always wondered.)

I *think* -- but I could be wrong -- back in the day, banks gave people toasters for opening an account with them.

Because really, what's better than a perfectly toasted slice of bread, with melting butter and some awesome jam?

YEAAAAAHHHHH, TOAST!

And I turned out warped on a fundamental level, so maybe you were better off without.

Heh. I hate to tell you, hon, but you started out that way. That's why we liked you.

Well, I can make toasts on a frying fan with melted butter. If I were to convert somebody to something (to the Dark side of the Force!), I'd much rather get an espresso machine. Or a blender. Or cash. But that's just me.

My bank never gave me nuthin' when I opened my accouts with them. I feel robbed.

I *think* -- but I could be wrong -- back in the day, banks gave people toasters for opening an account with them.

Oh, jeez. In the Old Days, people gave out toasters with everything... Bank accounts, insurance policies, other toasters...

Heh. I hate to tell you, hon, but you started out that way. That's why we liked you.

I actually went back and looked at some of my first posts on TT, and god was I annoying. I sounded so... thirteen. And I think my sister was rude to Betsy.

Y'all and Joss turned me into the moderately social-skilled person I am today.