Hauser: You really think you can solve the problem? Come into Wolfram & Hart and make everything right? Turn night into glorious day? You pathetic little fairy. Angel: I'm not little.

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Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

This is where we talk about Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No spoilers though?if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it. This thread is NO LONGER NAFDA. Please don't discuss current Angel events here.


Allyson - Aug 14, 2003 11:28:00 am PDT #4558 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I've never been a big Willow fan. She brings out my inner bully and I want to stuff her in a locker every time I see her.

There. I've said it. That was so freeing.


helentm - Aug 14, 2003 12:16:46 pm PDT #4559 of 10001
Religion isn't the cause of wars. It's the excuse. - Christopher Brookmyre

It might not necessarily apply to this spell, but Willow has earned her 'not-thinking-things-through' stripes. How anyone can spend three months planning to bring someone back from the dead, and not once consider the possibility that they might not be in a hell dimension... Anyway, very interesting takes on what's happened to the Slayer power.


Glamcookie - Aug 14, 2003 12:22:15 pm PDT #4560 of 10001
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

I didn't like dorky Season 1-3 Willow. When she hooked up with a girl, she got a lot more interesting to me :) By the end of the series, I loved her.


DavidS - Aug 14, 2003 12:23:37 pm PDT #4561 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Love early Willow and would be obliged to tie Allyson's hair into a bulgy knot and hang her from a coat rack if she tried to stuff Willow into a locker.


tina f. - Aug 14, 2003 12:34:44 pm PDT #4562 of 10001

I loved early Willow so much. I started watching the show because I loved her arc in Halloween - the geeky girl forced to be sexy and realizing she *could* be sexy but would rather be smart and funny. It's why I watched a second episode (and Spike).

I grew cold toward her in S5-6. It had nothing to do with the going gay. I just missed old Willow and couldn't get used to the new one. And they pretty much finished up her up with Dark!Willow (which, as a villain, I thought was awesome). And she just felt like unuseful furniture in S7.

Here is a weird thing. I never liked Tara all that much until I read a lot of great Tara-centric fic. Then I re-watched S4-6 and Tara became one of my favorite characters.


helentm - Aug 14, 2003 12:39:53 pm PDT #4563 of 10001
Religion isn't the cause of wars. It's the excuse. - Christopher Brookmyre

I adore Season 1 -4 Willow, I'm just annoyed they set her up to be so evil, then skipped the consequences.


DavidS - Aug 14, 2003 12:41:21 pm PDT #4564 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I'm just annoyed they set her up to be so evil, then skipped the consequences.

I don't get this perspective. She spent all of S7 dealing with the consequences. Considering she's not the title character they still spent a fair amount of time on it, and made it the arc for that character from the first episode to the finale.


erikaj - Aug 14, 2003 12:41:46 pm PDT #4565 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Willow reminds me of myself...just a little, not in a scary Willow Sue way.


Allyson - Aug 14, 2003 12:45:24 pm PDT #4566 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

How anyone can spend three months planning to bring someone back from the dead, and not once consider the possibility that they might not be in a hell dimension...

I always thought this was the beginning of her fast track into evil. This was pure selfishness on her part. I think she grieved for two seconds, and moved right into pure selfishness.


helentm - Aug 14, 2003 1:03:00 pm PDT #4567 of 10001
Religion isn't the cause of wars. It's the excuse. - Christopher Brookmyre

I guess I see what you mean, Hec, about her dealing with it all thorough season 7, but... When I watch her bring Buffy back from the dead, go two-face on Giles and cast that spell on Tara, it has a pretty strong effect on me. I want to see that Willow dealt with. But I guess it's a bit unfair to blame season 7 for that, as that Willow had vanished by the end of season 6.