My work's illegal, but at least it's honest.

Mal ,'Shindig'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Zenkitty - Nov 18, 2011 7:32:21 am PST #7426 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

The Princess and the Pea is not a fairytale, but a documentary on her life.

Oh, man, I have days like that. This tag ITCHES. There isn't any BACON. The litterbox STINKS. I don't like my CLOTHES. The floor is DIRTY. WHY is my LIFE so HARD?


amyth - Nov 18, 2011 7:33:06 am PST #7427 of 30001
And none of us deserving the cruelty or the grace -- Leonard Cohen

I certainly don't speak for all women, so I don't see why this douchebag should be allowed to speak for all men.

Well, there is that.


Steph L. - Nov 18, 2011 7:33:09 am PST #7428 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

There isn't any BACON.

Damn, I want bacon now. I'm such an easy mark.


Strix - Nov 18, 2011 7:35:01 am PST #7429 of 30001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

meara, I can totally see that being a hard thing.

Jessica, ITA.

And Steph, it's a YMMV thing, for sure. My close girlfrieds -- I don't care. As long as I knew D was OK with it, and it was making him feel good about himself.

A not-that-close friend(s) doing it? Um. Bitch, I will CUT you.


Steph L. - Nov 18, 2011 7:54:12 am PST #7430 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

A not-that-close friend(s) doing it? Um. Bitch, I will CUT you.

Actually, you saying that made me stop and think, and there *are* some friends (well, a scant few) I wouldn't have a problem with doing that. These women weren't really what I would call "close" friends. It's not that I don't like them, but...boundaries, people!

Then there was a whole thing with a pool party at the house of some friends -- their yard has a lot of privacy, and so after dark they were all "Skinny-dipping! Yay!" Which is fine, I'm not going to do it in mixed company EVER, but if other people want to, that's cool.

So people were swimming, and eventually it was only Tim left in the pool (in swim trunks), when suddenly a woman (who I am admittedly not fond of) said -- TO ME -- "Oh, Tim's in the pool! I'm getting in!", stripped off her suit, and jumped in the pool and swam over to him, all naked and so forth.

One of our friends told me later he couldn't believe I reacted without swearing or losing my shit. I just walked over to the pool and gave Tim the silent stinkeye, and he asked, "Is it time for me to get out?"

He did ask me later why I did that, and I told him what the woman had said, and that I found it really aggressive and predatory, and it made me really uncomfortable. He asked me if I thought he wouldn't be able to deflect if she got all weird, and I said, "I wasn't thinking about YOU; I was thinking about HER."


§ ita § - Nov 18, 2011 8:16:44 am PST #7431 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Damn, I want bacon now. I'm such an easy mark.

Did I link to [link] yet? (conceptually NSFW, but words and pictures are fine)

I once had a woman say "I'm attracted to D. Tell D I'm attracted to him." while I was dating D. Because I am who I am (but I'm not sure she was bright enough to get that), I told him she wanted in his pants. He looked quizzically at me. I said "It's a piece of information about you, for you. So I told you. Do with it what you want." That was the last I thought about it. I didn't do anything to try and limit their time together or anything.


Allyson - Nov 18, 2011 8:18:40 am PST #7432 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

The dude clarified that when he typed attraction, he didn't mean, "I think she's hot" or "I think she's hot and would like to bed her down" but deep romantic attraction, and that it was because of the painfulness of being attracted (in those terms) to someone who isn't attracted to you.

But I think that's pretty reasonable self-preservation, no matter which gender/orientation you are.


Steph L. - Nov 18, 2011 8:23:41 am PST #7433 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

The dude clarified that when he typed attraction, he didn't mean, "I think she's hot" or "I think she's hot and would like to bed her down" but deep romantic attraction, and that it was because of the painfulness of being attracted (in those terms) to someone who isn't attracted to you.

That makes sense in that light.


Allyson - Nov 18, 2011 8:25:42 am PST #7434 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Yeah, I was glad for the discussion because the dude who was making the argument...it seemed very out-of-sorts for that particular commenter. It just took post after post after post of misunderstanding to get there.


Jessica - Nov 18, 2011 8:28:08 am PST #7435 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

the dude who was making the argument...it seemed very out-of-sorts for that particular commenter.

In that case, I apologize for calling him a douchebag and retract my earlier comment.

(I still don't think it's a good idea for anyone to be making statements that begin "all men..." or "all women..." but that's a separate pet peeve.)