Plus bonus points for use of the word 'mosey'.

Oz ,'Same Time, Same Place'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


smonster - Jan 10, 2012 2:18:07 pm PST #15542 of 30001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

Huh. They're about to vacuum out a storm drain by my house. I hope it doesn't stink too badly, I'm drinking on my porch.


JenP - Jan 10, 2012 2:22:19 pm PST #15543 of 30001

I took it by accident, if that helps?

Well. How... by accident? Like, how does that work? Then we'll see if it helps.

A baby tooth necklace would be awesome! Pretty sure ours went the way of the garbage.


Sheryl - Jan 10, 2012 2:27:21 pm PST #15544 of 30001
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

Timelies all!

We had a farewell lunch for one of the post-docs at an Indian restaurant. It was a buffet, and I managed to not eat too much.(Though maybe I shouldn't have had the second bowl of rice pudding. Oh, well.)


Consuela - Jan 10, 2012 2:40:08 pm PST #15545 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Well, this is damned depressing. You know how all those career-advice columns say women should just get over their (culturally-imposed) modesty and ask for the raise and the promotion? The gender gap in careers and salaries would go away if we all just expressed our ambition in the same way that men do!

Apparently that advice is wrong: women who do ask, still lag behind men. Isn't that just awesome?


Jesse - Jan 10, 2012 2:42:52 pm PST #15546 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't, huh?

Well. How... by accident? Like, how does that work? Then we'll see if it helps.

It fell into my purse the day of the big haircut, and then I kept it when I found it.

msbelle: [link]


JenP - Jan 10, 2012 2:48:15 pm PST #15547 of 30001

It helps. Because I know you wanted to know. MmmmHmmm.


brenda m - Jan 10, 2012 2:49:17 pm PST #15548 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Apparently that advice is wrong: women who do ask, get punished. Isn't that just awesome?

Of course they do.

The "women are generally socialized not to make waves and ask for more" thing accounts for some of the gap, for sure. But it's less often that people acknowledge the flip side of that - bosses (male and female, though I would hope to a lesser degree) are socialized to see those who do make waves in a negative light. Pushy, instead of ambitious. Bitch, instead of driven. Same coin, different side.

Not that that's all there is to it, by any means.


Consuela - Jan 10, 2012 2:51:26 pm PST #15549 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

To be fair, I misstated the results--it doesn't seem as though they get punished, but they also don't get the raises.


billytea - Jan 10, 2012 2:51:31 pm PST #15550 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Apparently that advice is wrong: women who do ask, get punished. Isn't that just awesome?

If I'm reading the report correctly, they're not being punished for it. Women who speak up still do better than women who don't.* However, it doesn't close the gender gap. Proactive women can still expect a lower payoff than proactive men.

  • Quote: "When women were most proactive in making their achievements visible they advanced further, were more satisfied with their careers, and had greater compensation growth than women who were less focused on calling attention to their successes. Of all the strategies used by women, making their achievements known—by ensuring their manager was aware of their accomplishments, seeking feedback and credit as appropriate, and asking for a promotion when they felt it was deserved—was the only one associated with compensation growth."

Edit: crosspost.


Burrell - Jan 10, 2012 2:51:40 pm PST #15551 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

My MiL had a few of those Victorian hair lace memento mori thingies. I find them deeply uncanny. They feel like objects of dark magic to me.