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JenP - Jan 10, 2012 2:48:15 pm PST #15547 of 30001

It helps. Because I know you wanted to know. MmmmHmmm.

brenda m - Jan 10, 2012 2:49:17 pm PST #15548 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Apparently that advice is wrong: women who do ask, get punished. Isn't that just awesome?

Of course they do.

The "women are generally socialized not to make waves and ask for more" thing accounts for some of the gap, for sure. But it's less often that people acknowledge the flip side of that - bosses (male and female, though I would hope to a lesser degree) are socialized to see those who do make waves in a negative light. Pushy, instead of ambitious. Bitch, instead of driven. Same coin, different side.

Not that that's all there is to it, by any means.

Consuela - Jan 10, 2012 2:51:26 pm PST #15549 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

To be fair, I misstated the results--it doesn't seem as though they get punished, but they also don't get the raises.

billytea - Jan 10, 2012 2:51:31 pm PST #15550 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Apparently that advice is wrong: women who do ask, get punished. Isn't that just awesome?

If I'm reading the report correctly, they're not being punished for it. Women who speak up still do better than women who don't.* However, it doesn't close the gender gap. Proactive women can still expect a lower payoff than proactive men.

  • Quote: "When women were most proactive in making their achievements visible they advanced further, were more satisfied with their careers, and had greater compensation growth than women who were less focused on calling attention to their successes. Of all the strategies used by women, making their achievements known—by ensuring their manager was aware of their accomplishments, seeking feedback and credit as appropriate, and asking for a promotion when they felt it was deserved—was the only one associated with compensation growth."

Edit: crosspost.

Burrell - Jan 10, 2012 2:51:40 pm PST #15551 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

My MiL had a few of those Victorian hair lace memento mori thingies. I find them deeply uncanny. They feel like objects of dark magic to me.

Jesse - Jan 10, 2012 2:57:00 pm PST #15552 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

It helps. Because I know you wanted to know. MmmmHmmm.

I do think it's a little weird and a little gross that I kept it for years....

msbelle - Jan 10, 2012 3:03:15 pm PST #15553 of 30001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

Did anyone hear from Kathy?

§ ita § - Jan 10, 2012 3:04:57 pm PST #15554 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I fought hard for gender equity in pay in my first job out of university, and it totally didn't work out. Since then? I just try not to know what my co-workers make.

I don't have any male peers now! Eat me.

le nubian - Jan 10, 2012 3:16:23 pm PST #15555 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Adele remixed with Sister Sledge

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Hil R. - Jan 10, 2012 3:21:21 pm PST #15556 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

An advertisement from 1884, showing a map of the US and the nicknames of each state. The more I look at this, the more questions I have. [link]

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