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Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Consuela - Dec 07, 2011 2:09:20 pm PST #10356 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I am totally getting right on this!

Well, it would require getting pregnant and having kids, though.


Amy - Dec 07, 2011 2:11:35 pm PST #10357 of 30001
Because books.

ita, aren't the laptops your father and sister's gifts? I'm confused.

I'm pretty sure Vick is just an ignorant asshole. Then again I was pretty sure fans would protest and vilify him when they let him play football again. Maybe Eagles fans are just ignorant assholes, too.


tommyrot - Dec 07, 2011 2:13:12 pm PST #10358 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

That blog (Man Boobz) I linked to is pretty cool. But disturbing. It's run by a man:

Misogyny. I mock it.

I find a lot of it in what's called the "manosphere," a loose collection of Men's Rights, Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW), and Pickup Artist (PUA) sites.

TRIGGER WARNING: I quote some pretty extreme stuff here; also, the comments section is pretty much unfiltered, so be prepared.

There's a lot of scary shit he's found....


tommyrot - Dec 07, 2011 2:15:29 pm PST #10359 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I'm trying to figure out what they think the appeal of the "feminist marriage" would be. Why would women choose that rather than just being single mothers, if that's what they wanted? Where's the benefit?

Money, mostly.

Those in traditional marriages will pay taxes that will be used to support feminist marriages where child support or welfare cannot be recouped, as occurs in our existing welfare state. Traditional marriages have only two income sources, neither of them entitled or tax-free. Over time, many women will prefer “feminist marriage” because of the very substantial economic and sexual liberation advantages. Heterosexual marriage will be heavily burdened by costly marriage penalties, and be comparatively unattractive to women.


Hil R. - Dec 07, 2011 2:17:12 pm PST #10360 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

But that's just comparing "feminist marriages" to current marriages. What makes a feminist marriage better than just being single?


Tom Scola - Dec 07, 2011 2:17:39 pm PST #10361 of 30001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

The best Christmas present I ever got one of my sisters were a pair of these.


§ ita § - Dec 07, 2011 2:18:01 pm PST #10362 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

ita, aren't the laptops your father and sister's gifts? I'm confused.

They're going to pay me back for those. So now I have to do actual choosing work. Above and beyond the customisation of the laptops, and the lugging them through the (uh, first class) airport.

Basically I'm an ungrateful daughter/sister. Who has only left the house once in five days, and that was to go to the hospital. At what point do I just say "no can do?" And how can I say that when they're all home dealing with my mother's illness face to face?

Why would women choose that rather than just being single mothers, if that's what they wanted?

Because being a single mother is too difficult for some women to countenance? I certainly couldn't do it--I'd need a partner of some sort or other. There's just no one I'd want to live with and entrust with all that, and motherhood was never that much of a priority.

But it's a traditionally two parent society. Why would it be weird to think that people would want to be part of a child-raising dyad? Or team?


§ ita § - Dec 07, 2011 2:18:40 pm PST #10363 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The best Christmas present I ever got one of my sisters were a pair of these.

I'm gonna hazard a guess she doesn't live in the tropics?


tommyrot - Dec 07, 2011 2:19:16 pm PST #10364 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

But that's just comparing "feminist marriages" to current marriages. What makes a feminist marriage better than just being single?

There's only so much crazy I can explain.

(He's quoting from "the right-wing Center for Marriage Policy.")


Hil R. - Dec 07, 2011 2:19:41 pm PST #10365 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

But it's a traditionally two parent society. Why would it be weird to think that people would want to be part of a child-raising dyad? Or team?

Mostly, just that there are plenty of single mothers out there who do have the option of finding some other single mother and living together, like Kate and Allie, but it seems like relatively few do that.