Do you see any goats around? No, because I sacrificed them.

Willow ,'Showtime'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Tom Scola - Dec 07, 2011 2:17:39 pm PST #10361 of 30001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

The best Christmas present I ever got one of my sisters were a pair of these.


§ ita § - Dec 07, 2011 2:18:01 pm PST #10362 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

ita, aren't the laptops your father and sister's gifts? I'm confused.

They're going to pay me back for those. So now I have to do actual choosing work. Above and beyond the customisation of the laptops, and the lugging them through the (uh, first class) airport.

Basically I'm an ungrateful daughter/sister. Who has only left the house once in five days, and that was to go to the hospital. At what point do I just say "no can do?" And how can I say that when they're all home dealing with my mother's illness face to face?

Why would women choose that rather than just being single mothers, if that's what they wanted?

Because being a single mother is too difficult for some women to countenance? I certainly couldn't do it--I'd need a partner of some sort or other. There's just no one I'd want to live with and entrust with all that, and motherhood was never that much of a priority.

But it's a traditionally two parent society. Why would it be weird to think that people would want to be part of a child-raising dyad? Or team?


§ ita § - Dec 07, 2011 2:18:40 pm PST #10363 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The best Christmas present I ever got one of my sisters were a pair of these.

I'm gonna hazard a guess she doesn't live in the tropics?


tommyrot - Dec 07, 2011 2:19:16 pm PST #10364 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

But that's just comparing "feminist marriages" to current marriages. What makes a feminist marriage better than just being single?

There's only so much crazy I can explain.

(He's quoting from "the right-wing Center for Marriage Policy.")


Hil R. - Dec 07, 2011 2:19:41 pm PST #10365 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

But it's a traditionally two parent society. Why would it be weird to think that people would want to be part of a child-raising dyad? Or team?

Mostly, just that there are plenty of single mothers out there who do have the option of finding some other single mother and living together, like Kate and Allie, but it seems like relatively few do that.


Jessica - Dec 07, 2011 2:30:30 pm PST #10366 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Because being a single mother is too difficult for some women to countenance?

It reads to me like being a mother in this situation is just a means to get the government to give you money, though. So the choice is between being "feminist married" and having lots of kids and living like a welfare queen and being single and getting no fancy government money at all.


Steph L. - Dec 07, 2011 2:32:00 pm PST #10367 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

On average, a feminist marriage will have at least four income sources, two of them tax-free, plus backup welfare entitlements.

I am totally getting right on this!

I know! I wanted to marry Tim so we could make our friends and family dance around a pig at the reception, but four income sources is WAY better than a pig!


billytea - Dec 07, 2011 2:38:12 pm PST #10368 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

I know! I wanted to marry Tim so we could make our friends and family dance around a pig at the reception, but four income sources is WAY better than a pig!

A pig is NO MATCH for four income sources! Its swine-fu is powerless before the combined strength of four income sources! Red river hog, you have met your match in the average feminist marriage!


Sophia Brooks - Dec 07, 2011 2:41:00 pm PST #10369 of 30001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

On average, a feminist marriage will have at least four income sources, two of them tax-free, plus backup welfare entitlements.
I am totally getting right on this!

Jesse, will you marry me?


Jessica - Dec 07, 2011 2:45:18 pm PST #10370 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Guys, before y'all jump into anything, speaking from my admittedly limited perspective in a boring old non-feminist marriage...there's just a slight possibility that kids may be way the fuck more expensive than this guy thinks they are. And also that food stamps are not actually printed on gold leaf.