it was a general statement of my wanting to see guys interacting without what feels like "Oh, we ought to put a chick in this, or women won't watch it."

Because it's perfectly acceptable for the world not to have women in it?

Honestly, my reaction to Batman Begins was that Rachel was an utterly useless character, and not because of any HoYay factor. t edit And not because any "romance" (such as it was) between her and Bruce "messed up" the "manliness" of the movie. I just felt that, as a character, she brought nothing to the movie, and I think it would have been better without her.

Or, as smonster said, write a better damn character, one that actually brings something to the movie.

(I have no opinion on the James Bond/Indiana Jones cowboy movie, as I haven't seen it.)

Honestly, my reaction to Batman Begins was that Rachel was an utterly useless character, and not because of any HoYay factor. As a character, she brought nothing to the movie, and I think it would have been better without her.

But your reaction to that isn't "Don't put any women in the movie because they will distract from the HoYay," it's "Write a better character because women aren't useless in real life and shouldn't be in the movies, either."

Good lord, people, when I did I become a hater of women to this degree? Doesn't the fact that that test exists indicate that female characters get put into movies for insufficient reasons?

To whom should I submit my posts for proper sociological/political vetting in the future? Because heaven forbid I should post something that expresses insufficient appreciation for appearances of women in media.

And if you think I seriously hate seeing women in movies because they block my view of the men, I can only assume I've been seriously misinterpreted over the years.

But your reaction to that isn't "Don't put any women in the movie because they will distract from the HoYay," it's "Write a better character because women aren't useless in real life and shouldn't be in the movies, either."

True, although I wouldn't have had a problem with the character being entirely absent, either, because she really felt tacked on to make sure there was a woman in it. That's very specific to that story, though, and what it reflects of Batman's very narrow vision of his mission (i.e., no room for the wimmins). So I guess I'm looking at it through the specific story.

In general, though, yeah -- better written women characters, who have a purpose other than being a love interest, are sorely lacking in movies. It's sad when Thor is the only recent movie I've seen that passes (and just barely) the Bechdel test.

Doesn't the fact that that test exists indicate that female characters get put into movies for insufficient reasons?

Do you have any idea why she was put into the movie? Or do you just figure she'll mess shit up on principle? Because that's sure what it sounds like. And Consuela is relatively recently out of a fandom that had pre-appearance petitions to not include women in their sausagefest on what seemed a very similar principle, so I totally see her point.

Hoping she's well written is one thing. Wanting her gone is...weird.

And if you think I seriously hate seeing women in movies because they block my view of the men, I can only assume I've been seriously misinterpreted over the years.

The discussion thus far reads to me like it's about your one specific statement, not about "over the years."

The discussion thus far reads to me like it's about your one specific statement, not about "over the years."

The statement that "I don't want a woman in the movie because she's just there to be romance fodder and will just get in the way of me appreciating the men," -- I took that at face value.

I'm quite tired of seeing female characters show up only to be useless, or be used only as sexual prizes for the men. But my response to that problem isn't "Keep the women out." It's "Give me more Aeryn Sun and Parker and Jo Lupo."

I'm quite tired of seeing female characters show up only to be useless, or be used only as sexual prizes for the men. But my response to that problem isn't "Keep the women out." It's "Give me more Aeryn Sun and Parker and Jo Lupo."

BRB. Went to crossover threesome place.

In other news, I'm starting to work with some new people (new to me) because of my colleague leaving, and I just sent them an email I was a little worried about, and the guy who I'm pretty sure is my new favorite person responded in EXACTLY the way I wanted him to! Phew.

Jesse, that's good.

A cover letter should be no more than a page, right? Related note, anyone available to beta a cover letter for me, just make sure I don't sound like an ass or have egregious misspellings?