Doesn't winter seem more like archiving season?

Willow ,'Lessons'


Natter 68: Bork Bork Bork  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


sumi - Jul 12, 2011 8:50:24 am PDT #16278 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

Random gossip: Daisy Lowe - who is Matt Smith's girlfriend (apparently) and Gavin Rossdale's daughter is going to pose for Playboy.


Jessica - Jul 12, 2011 8:54:00 am PDT #16279 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I felt like the only reason she was a dentist was because dentist's offices contain reclining chairs and anaesthesia.


Atropa - Jul 12, 2011 8:56:22 am PDT #16280 of 30001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

I just posted a picture of Jilli in an argument. Had to defend girliness.

I want a link. Of course I want a link.

Can we declare a moratorium on rape in popular media?

Please? I read a lot of questionable media (hello, I read vampire books), and frequently turn a mostly-blind eye to dubcon issues. But in my head that isn't the same as the blithe way rape gets tossed about in popular media. And yeah, in my head "Seeing Red" should have been a vamping attempt.


Steph L. - Jul 12, 2011 9:04:07 am PDT #16281 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

But in my head that isn't the same as the blithe way rape gets tossed about in popular media.

My bugaboo is prison rape jokes, both in the media and by people in general. Like, people who wouldn't make a joke about any other type of rape, but easily make prison rape jokes. The logical conclusion is, then, that they do believe that rape is okay in *some* circumstances. And that is revolting to me.


Burrell - Jul 12, 2011 9:06:50 am PDT #16282 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Burrell, are you enjoying Stiff ?

I am, it definitely speaks to my morbid streak. Not sure about teaching it. I might pull a few essays and combine with some other stuff. I'd love to talk with you about your experiences teaching it.

But when you get to torture or abuse, I also get tetchy. Those are a whole different kettle of fish.

Yeah, those really ping me. I wasn't saying the rape depictions aren't problematic, all I was saying is that there are other problems, like torture, that I find similarly problematic. Which is guess is also my response to smonster.

OK, gotta go vote. There's a special election and a Tea Party candidate on the ballot. I'm afeared he might win. Yeeps!


Atropa - Jul 12, 2011 9:08:16 am PDT #16283 of 30001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

The logical conclusion is, then, that they do believe that rape is okay in *some* circumstances. And that is revolting to me.

Sing it.

The thing that's been making me want to go all rantycakes about rape is, oddly enough, Tumblr. The "omg I want to rape him/her" commentary on some pictures that go scrolling by on my dashboard makes me want to shake those posters and lecture them.


§ ita § - Jul 12, 2011 9:08:34 am PDT #16284 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Jilli, I used you here.

that they do believe that rape is okay in *some* circumstances. And that is revolting to me.

Absolutely. It's less of an issue when it happens to men, and that it's cool as tit for tat, or as "reparation" for violent crimes. NO. Bad thing. Always bad thing.


Steph L. - Jul 12, 2011 9:12:48 am PDT #16285 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

that they do believe that rape is okay in *some* circumstances. And that is revolting to me.

Absolutely. It's less of an issue when it happens to men, and that it's cool as tit for tat, or as "reparation" for violent crimes. NO. Bad thing. Always bad thing.

Yup. If it's okay as punishment, then it becomes more acceptable to use rape as a "corrective" tool for homosexuality or transsexuality. And then what? Spoils of war, of course. And then what? As a "corrective" tool to keep uppity women in line?

It's just revolting in any circumstance, and being okay with one, even if you feel it's extreme (i.e., prison rape as "deserved" punishment) opens up a whole world of other circumstances where it might be deemed "okay."


Ginger - Jul 12, 2011 9:14:55 am PDT #16286 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

It's less of an issue when it happens to men, and that it's cool as tit for tat, or as "reparation" for violent crimes.

We sentence people to time in prison. We don't sentence them to rape, violence and dehumanization. If we intend to sentence them to rape, then it's cruel and unusual punishment. If that's not the plan, threatening people with the dysfunction of the prison system should not be part of any police interrogation.


Steph L. - Jul 12, 2011 9:20:14 am PDT #16287 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I've read some horrifying studies where teen boys were interviewed and asked when it's okay to force your date to have sex (I believe the interviewers deliberately chose not to use the word "rape," to see if that affected their answers [although I don't know how you could measure that, unless there was a control group of demographically matched boys]). An astonishingly high number answered "When she doesn't want to have sex."

Yow. That makes my stomach hurt.