It's less of an issue when it happens to men, and that it's cool as tit for tat, or as "reparation" for violent crimes.

We sentence people to time in prison. We don't sentence them to rape, violence and dehumanization. If we intend to sentence them to rape, then it's cruel and unusual punishment. If that's not the plan, threatening people with the dysfunction of the prison system should not be part of any police interrogation.

I've read some horrifying studies where teen boys were interviewed and asked when it's okay to force your date to have sex (I believe the interviewers deliberately chose not to use the word "rape," to see if that affected their answers [although I don't know how you could measure that, unless there was a control group of demographically matched boys]). An astonishingly high number answered "When she doesn't want to have sex."

Yow. That makes my stomach hurt.

An astonishingly high number answered "When she doesn't want to have sex."

Well, duh. If she WANTS to, it's not forcing her!

(Dear lord...though I'd love to read that study)

This was almost 20 years ago, but my senior year I took a child development class. We watched Nova The Miracle of life, and it talked about arousal. The teacher took the time to stop the tape and explain that men get urges and they have to act on them, and that means rape. And a woman could walk by a man and something could turn him on and he would have to react (ie rape her).

We asked her several scenarios - like "if you were walking down the street all covered up and a man grabbed you and raped you, would it be your fault."

Answer - yes because I did something to cause him to do it.

She also was teaching middle school (this is a K-12 school) and I talked to some middle schoolers, she hadn't taught them that yet. But the handful of boys I told about her upset and they even said she was wrong.

She was a middle of the year hire and there were some other issues and she was fired before the end of the year.

She was a middle of the year hire and there were some other issues and she was fired before the end of the year.

Thank goodness!

This is the sort of story that makes me nostalgic for running people out of town on a rail.

That's horrific, askye.

Fucking people.

boggles

That's appalling, askye. I'm glad she was fired.

Thank you for the link, ita. I'm flattered you used me as an example. The "dressing up and playing with feminine traits is shallow and dumb" argument makes me furious. Look, people, if you don't like to do those things, NO ONE is forcing you. And I sure as hell don't look down on you for that. Kindly return the favor, thanks.

I complained to the administration about it loudly. I was really proud because I didn't have Mom go with me, I made a list, asked to see the principal and went through all the issues. That being at the top of the list.

Then she got fired and people got mad at me because she was "nice".