'Out Of Gas'
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
ita - not sure. I woke up this morning and after I brushed my teeth, I realized one had a rough part. Now my tongue won't leave it alone. Blech.
So today's plan. Work from home, karate at 12:30, home to shower then off to the dentist and finally more work. Wheee?
So much ~ma to ND and Pix, both healing and lower-stress flavors.
SuziQ ugh! I hope the tooth is fixed quick, and glad it doesn't hurt.
Big Love and Weeds come to mind.
Weeds! That's the pot-selling show I couldn't remember the name of. Big Love I'm assuming the crime is polygamy, right?
Would it be fair to say that Sopranos represents some sort of turning point on TV with respect to criminal protagonists? And, even so, we're not supposed to love them (although, of course, I'm sure many people did).
White Collar and Leverage present us with criminals we are supposed to love (and boy, do I). Even though they're not primarily self-serving, they have a moral compass that allows for it, it's just not what they're doing right now.
And in Supernatural, fraud is just part of what they do to get by, and we're supposed to love them anyway.
I'm not suddenly having a moral revelation, just wondering if there was a relatively recent sea change.
Would it be fair to say that Sopranos represents some sort of turning point on TV with respect to criminal protagonists? And, even so, we're not supposed to love them (although, of course, I'm sure many people did).
In terms of being successful, yes. But Profit certainly was ahead of the trend.
It's been a recurring trope, but it may be more prevalent now. I'd add Sons of Anarchy and The Riches to the list of recent shows.
In the past it showed up in places like It Takes a Thief, Remington Steele and I'm sure I'm forgetting some.
Oh, The Riches. Good one.
Leverage is just the Robin Hood trope. I'm not sure I'd call it new.
Profit certainly was ahead of the trend.
And, honestly, what with the mother-loving, pretty damned hard core in comparison to anything onscreen right now.
I'd add Sons of Anarchy and The Riches to the list of recent shows.
Yes, totally.
places like It Takes a Thief, Remington Steele
Hmm. Now I'm wondering--was Remington a reformed criminal, or an abstaining one? I count Leverage, for instance, as abstaining ones (there was an indication that, I think, Hardison indulged during the hiatus, because they weren't fighting injustice at the time), and I think of that as a different trope.
Leverage is just the Robin Hood trope. I'm not sure I'd call it new.
Not new in storytelling, no. Just wondering about TV.
In Mission Impossible, they were almost certainly breaking the laws of whatever foreign country they were infiltrating.
As to older examples: The Dukes of Hazzard. (Commercially successful). The Saint? I got the impression that sometimes Simon Templar robbed to get money rather than going after bad guys, but don't think that was canon.