So much ~ma to ND and Pix, both healing and lower-stress flavors.
SuziQ ugh! I hope the tooth is fixed quick, and glad it doesn't hurt.
Do I wish I was somebody else right now. Somebody not... married, not madly in love with a beautiful woman who can kill me with her pinkie!
Wash ,'Our Mrs. Reynolds'
Natter 66: Get Your Kicks.
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
hippocampus - Sep 01, 2010 7:14:31 am PDT #21543 of 30001
not your mom's socks.
§ ita § - Sep 01, 2010 7:19:07 am PDT #21544 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Big Love and Weeds come to mind.
Weeds! That's the pot-selling show I couldn't remember the name of. Big Love I'm assuming the crime is polygamy, right?
Would it be fair to say that Sopranos represents some sort of turning point on TV with respect to criminal protagonists? And, even so, we're not supposed to love them (although, of course, I'm sure many people did).
White Collar and Leverage present us with criminals we are supposed to love (and boy, do I). Even though they're not primarily self-serving, they have a moral compass that allows for it, it's just not what they're doing right now.
And in Supernatural, fraud is just part of what they do to get by, and we're supposed to love them anyway.
I'm not suddenly having a moral revelation, just wondering if there was a relatively recent sea change.
Frankenbuddha - Sep 01, 2010 7:22:08 am PDT #21545 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Would it be fair to say that Sopranos represents some sort of turning point on TV with respect to criminal protagonists? And, even so, we're not supposed to love them (although, of course, I'm sure many people did).
In terms of being successful, yes. But Profit certainly was ahead of the trend.
quester - Sep 01, 2010 7:24:21 am PDT #21546 of 30001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.
It's been a recurring trope, but it may be more prevalent now. I'd add Sons of Anarchy and The Riches to the list of recent shows.
In the past it showed up in places like It Takes a Thief, Remington Steele and I'm sure I'm forgetting some.
Dana - Sep 01, 2010 7:25:03 am PDT #21547 of 30001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
Oh, The Riches. Good one.
Leverage is just the Robin Hood trope. I'm not sure I'd call it new.
§ ita § - Sep 01, 2010 7:27:24 am PDT #21548 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Profit certainly was ahead of the trend.
And, honestly, what with the mother-loving, pretty damned hard core in comparison to anything onscreen right now.
I'd add Sons of Anarchy and The Riches to the list of recent shows.
Yes, totally.
places like It Takes a Thief, Remington Steele
Hmm. Now I'm wondering--was Remington a reformed criminal, or an abstaining one? I count Leverage, for instance, as abstaining ones (there was an indication that, I think, Hardison indulged during the hiatus, because they weren't fighting injustice at the time), and I think of that as a different trope.
§ ita § - Sep 01, 2010 7:28:03 am PDT #21549 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Leverage is just the Robin Hood trope. I'm not sure I'd call it new.
Not new in storytelling, no. Just wondering about TV.
Tom Scola - Sep 01, 2010 7:29:18 am PDT #21550 of 30001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.
In Mission Impossible, they were almost certainly breaking the laws of whatever foreign country they were infiltrating.
Typo Boy - Sep 01, 2010 7:29:23 am PDT #21551 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
As to older examples: The Dukes of Hazzard. (Commercially successful). The Saint? I got the impression that sometimes Simon Templar robbed to get money rather than going after bad guys, but don't think that was canon.
msbelle - Sep 01, 2010 7:29:55 am PDT #21552 of 30001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb
Didn't Charlie do stuff outside of the law to solve his personal stuff?