Oh, The Riches. Good one.
Leverage is just the Robin Hood trope. I'm not sure I'd call it new.
Say! look at you! You look just like me! We're very pretty.
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Natter 66: Get Your Kicks.
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Dana - Sep 01, 2010 7:25:03 am PDT #21547 of 30001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
§ ita § - Sep 01, 2010 7:27:24 am PDT #21548 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Profit certainly was ahead of the trend.
And, honestly, what with the mother-loving, pretty damned hard core in comparison to anything onscreen right now.
I'd add Sons of Anarchy and The Riches to the list of recent shows.
Yes, totally.
places like It Takes a Thief, Remington Steele
Hmm. Now I'm wondering--was Remington a reformed criminal, or an abstaining one? I count Leverage, for instance, as abstaining ones (there was an indication that, I think, Hardison indulged during the hiatus, because they weren't fighting injustice at the time), and I think of that as a different trope.
§ ita § - Sep 01, 2010 7:28:03 am PDT #21549 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Leverage is just the Robin Hood trope. I'm not sure I'd call it new.
Not new in storytelling, no. Just wondering about TV.
Tom Scola - Sep 01, 2010 7:29:18 am PDT #21550 of 30001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.
In Mission Impossible, they were almost certainly breaking the laws of whatever foreign country they were infiltrating.
Typo Boy - Sep 01, 2010 7:29:23 am PDT #21551 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
As to older examples: The Dukes of Hazzard. (Commercially successful). The Saint? I got the impression that sometimes Simon Templar robbed to get money rather than going after bad guys, but don't think that was canon.
msbelle - Sep 01, 2010 7:29:55 am PDT #21552 of 30001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb
Didn't Charlie do stuff outside of the law to solve his personal stuff?
§ ita § - Sep 01, 2010 7:35:16 am PDT #21553 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
In Mission Impossible, they were almost certainly breaking the laws of whatever foreign country they were infiltrating.
But that wasn't for them. That I think is readily endorsed. The Winchesters commit credit card fraud to pay their bills. The Sopranos were just a crime family. There's no altruism there (sure, Sam and Dean might be funding an altruistic lifestyle, but it's hardly the only way to do it).
The Dukes of Hazzard
Refresh my memory--what did they do for themselves?
Didn't Charlie do stuff outside of the law to solve his personal stuff?
Hmm. True. I think my mind is creating a separate category in which White Collar, Life, and Burn Notice will go.
Gudanov - Sep 01, 2010 7:37:03 am PDT #21554 of 30001
Coding and Sleeping
I have to say, I really like the Oatmeal guide to Irony.
-t - Sep 01, 2010 7:38:12 am PDT #21555 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
The Dukes of Hazard were not law-abiding, as celebrated in their theme song, anyway.
That was a thing with Maverick, wasn't it, that he was not a Good Guy? At least, he didn't wear a white hat, that was definitely a thing.
Daisy Jane - Sep 01, 2010 7:38:48 am PDT #21556 of 30001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."
Hustle?