Mal: How come you didn't turn on me, Jayne? Jayne: Money wasn't good enough. Mal: What happens when it is? Jayne: Well... that'll be an interesting day.

'Serenity'


Natter 66: Get Your Kicks.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


ChiKat - Aug 31, 2010 5:09:54 am PDT #21275 of 30001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

it shouldn't be a compulsory one

Technically it's not here if you can afford private insurance. It's just realistically, most people can't afford insurance without an employer helping out.


ChiKat - Aug 31, 2010 5:10:11 am PDT #21276 of 30001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

Do you want an opinion from non-Americans, as well?

Sure.


Shir - Aug 31, 2010 5:10:43 am PDT #21277 of 30001
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

Did this conversation jump from Bitches, or vice versa?

No clue. I only know that I came to play here again the first time since a-lot-of-time yesterday, and hey, same talks! (But no, I don't think I caused it).

Edit:

Technically it's not here if you can afford private insurance. It's just realistically, most people can't afford insurance without an employer helping out.

Yeah. I was talking about realistically-non-compulsory link between the rights.


Daisy Jane - Aug 31, 2010 5:13:03 am PDT #21278 of 30001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

what do you all think of saying the Pledge of Allegiance?

I didn't do it. At least not in high school. Partly it was the "under God" thing and partly because it seemed to go against what I understood as the founding principles of my country.

To it's credit, my HS never gave me shit for it. Some classes didn't even do it.


Cashmere - Aug 31, 2010 5:13:22 am PDT #21279 of 30001
Now tagless for your comfort.

I have a question for the hivemind: what do you all think of saying the Pledge of Allegiance? I don't want to be more specific than that right now because I don't want to ask leading questions, so I'll leave it wide open for now.

The original 1892 version or the amended version from 1954?


Jessica - Aug 31, 2010 5:15:02 am PDT #21280 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

When I was in school I never gave it a second thought. As an adult, I think it's a little creepy.

[eta: Not the pledge itself, but making kids say it in school.]


Aims - Aug 31, 2010 5:16:05 am PDT #21281 of 30001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

I don't have a problem with it - Emeline says it in her classroom every morning. I don't think it's compulsory, but they say it.

I understand the issues surrounding it, particularly the "under God" part, but personally, as a parent, I don't have a problem with it.


ChiKat - Aug 31, 2010 5:16:10 am PDT #21282 of 30001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

The original 1892 version or the amended version from 1954?

The current version.

partly because it seemed to go against what I understood as the founding principles of my country

Could you elaborate?

As an adult, I think it's a little creepy.

Why?


Steph L. - Aug 31, 2010 5:16:44 am PDT #21283 of 30001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I didn't do it. At least not in high school. Partly it was the "under God" thing and partly because it seemed to go against what I understood as the founding principles of my country.

If the "with liberty and justice for all" part were even remotely true, I'd have less of a problem with it. t edit I understand that that's the (alleged) ideal, or at least was the ideal when it was written, but...NSM in the real world we have to live in.

Also, making kids stand and recite a loyalty oath every morning is like, Hello Red China!


Cashmere - Aug 31, 2010 5:18:04 am PDT #21284 of 30001
Now tagless for your comfort.

I think we said it every morning in grade school. I didn't question it then. I don't think I'd mind if my kids said it now. Mostly because it's for show.

I'd say it now if asked--but I also bow my head when others around me pray, even though I do not.