Mal: Yeah, well, just be careful. We cheated Badger out of good money to buy that frippery, and you're supposed to make me look respectable. Kaylee: Yes, sir, Captain Tightpants.

'Shindig'


Natter 65: Speed Limit Enforced by Aircraft  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jesse - Feb 23, 2010 5:23:30 am PST #10025 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Like drag queens, but I think it's about makeup and fancy dresses and a lot of other things, too. I am no feminist theoritician, so I can't necessarily articulate it, but I think it's about consciously dolling up in a way that screams "lady" in our culture.


Amy - Feb 23, 2010 5:23:55 am PST #10026 of 30001
Because books.

Because I really don't/can't do girly on a day to day, but I do love to put it on sometimes (see: prom) and it does feel very much like costuming.

That makes sense to me now, too. That's very much me.


Sue - Feb 23, 2010 5:25:58 am PST #10027 of 30001
hip deep in pie

As someone with a peacock/brown living room, I approve of that colour scheme.


§ ita § - Feb 23, 2010 5:26:35 am PST #10028 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I have a definite opposition to calling that performing female. I would call that performing feminine.

Then there's the question of if it goes beyond clothing. I have no urge to change how I behave--I behave just as female as I ever want to.


msbelle - Feb 23, 2010 5:28:44 am PST #10029 of 30001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

I am totally copying you Sue!

ok. I feel good about that room, now on to my room.


Jesse - Feb 23, 2010 5:30:56 am PST #10030 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I have a definite opposition to calling that performing female. I would call that performing feminine.

That's fair, but I do think that the stereotype or whatever is the same thing. The cultural -- not ideal, but maybe vision? of a woman is dolled up. I'm not saying it's always about poufy dresses in the world -- it could be the sexy secretary or whatever.


Sue - Feb 23, 2010 5:31:20 am PST #10031 of 30001
hip deep in pie

I am totally copying you Sue!

My living room always makes me happy. Except when it's a total mess.


§ ita § - Feb 23, 2010 5:34:17 am PST #10032 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm not saying it's always about poufy dresses in the world -- it could be the sexy secretary or whatever.

For me it's twofold--I wear skirts more often than not. My recent urges are definitely more than that. My normal look is definitely not androgynous, so feminine is the right adjective.

Also, when I wear jeans, I am also female, and I'm militant about that. Female is my default state, fighting, coding, sci-fi, comics, everything. The stereotype can go fuck itself.

Feminine is the cultural baggage, to me.


Calli - Feb 23, 2010 5:43:00 am PST #10033 of 30001
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

I'm inclined to agree with ita. My chromosomes and gender identification (cis) make me female. My use of socially constructed gender identifiers (wearing feminine clothes, makeup, accessories) may also make me look feminine. Or I could dress in a traditionally masculine way, complete with Old Spice bodywash and a Cocky belt buckle, and look somewhat masculine (although probably not very). But I'd still be female.


Amy - Feb 23, 2010 5:44:18 am PST #10034 of 30001
Because books.

Also, when I wear jeans, I am also female, and I'm militant about that. Female is my default state, fighting, coding, sci-fi, comics, everything. The stereotype can go fuck itself.

Feminine is the cultural baggage, to me.

That's a good distinction to make, I think. I do feel very female when I'm dressed as I usually am (jeans, sweaters, boots) but there is a difference in how feminine I feel when I've got on nail polish or I'm wearing a dress.