IIRC, most of the humans being mooned over by vamps were vamped pretty quickly in the Riceverse. The only exceptions I can think of were Daniel and the guy in Tale of the Body Thief (David something?), both of whom were also eventually vamped.

Marius (I think) had Armand as a human houseboy (or the Renaissance equivalent) in his catacombs for quite a while before finally vamping him.

It's been so long since I've read any Anne Rice that I can't totally remember. I think maybe Marius had a thing for Pandora when she was human as well, and then he vamped her.

So maybe Marius is just deviant in the Rice!vampire world. Human-lover.

I think for the most part, they talk the long view -- they know they're around forever, so why fuck around with the short term of humans. Like Claudia (that's her name, right?) -- they wanted a little girl to play with, but the year or whatever they could get out of a real girl was bullshit.

I think Interview is the only Rice book I kept when I did some big book purge, but now I think I should re-read it.

I am watching White Collar--I am a couple weeks behind the US-- and I think they were filming the scene at the restaurant across from Grand Central Station when I was in NY. I didn't see any of the actors when I went by, but I didn't really stand around and gawk.

I think for the most part, they talk the long view -- they know they're around forever, so why fuck around with the short term of humans. Like Claudia (that's her name, right?) -- they wanted a little girl to play with, but the year or whatever they could get out of a real girl was bullshit.

That's pretty much it. Lestat always regarded humans as toys. Louis was all mopey and I AM A MONSTER!, but didn't pine after humans. Marius did keep Armand as some sort of twisted combo of pet/snack bar, but always intended to vamp him.

(Of course I know this stuff. I even re-read Interview and Lestat once a year or so.)

So Twilight and Moonlight are all Joss's fault?

I would guess more Anne Rice + Laurell K. Hamilton x premarital chastity = Twilight. It doesn't seem similar to Joss as much, since no one's really killing the vampires.

It doesn't seem similar to Joss as much, since no one's really killing the vampires.

I'm reading a popular (yet scholarly) book about the history of Faery in English culture, and most of it maps over very well to how vampires are used lately, especially in the Y&A explosion.

Anyway, I was trying to think of why and when it does or doesn't map to the Jossverse and I realized it only maps when you posit a Vampire Society. If Vampires are largely lone predators (Dracula, Angel) then it doesn't work. It doesn't work even if you have a pack of vampires (Angel, Spike, Dru, Darla) - you have to have some sort of hierachy and culture and families like in Kindred, or True Blood or Being Human. Then it maps very much to the way the Faery Courts etc. are used.

Anyway, in the Jossverse the vampires were originally intended to be a return to the monstrous (hence, the facial appliances) and they resisted romanticizing the vamps. But then it was just too juicy narratively.

What's the LKH timeline? Vampires have had the erotic going on for a long time, but I'm curious about the gelded romantic angst turning point. I haven't read any of her.

but I'm curious about the gelded romantic angst turning point.

They do get into that with Angel. He can't make love to Buffy, and does protest later that he's not a eunuch.