I have MOMAd and bought many things, mostly for me. My MOMA membership expires in Dec and I never used my bonus 20% off card, which you only get to use once in each store, so I bought things in all of the various store options. Some even Christmas gifts, which makes me feel good about spending the money. Then I took some nighttime NY pictures and got weepy, and now I am home in flannel pjs, fuzzy socks and slippers and I am going to have chips and guac for dinner and try to get my head wrapped around the fact that it is Friday, not Monday.

I'm watching Innocence right now. It was so much easier to like B/A knowing that a) he goes evil and b) he leaves town and c) she does the nasty with Spike and ends up liking him. I read the Wikipedia entry on the extended Twilight saga and I can't imagine Bella kicking Edward in the nuts. I know Joss not only pissed people off by saying he was there to give them what they want, not what they need but he also participated in Spikely fan-pandering, but I do respect what he did with most of a really peculiar relationship.

IIRC, most of the humans being mooned over by vamps were vamped pretty quickly in the Riceverse. The only exceptions I can think of were Daniel and the guy in Tale of the Body Thief (David something?), both of whom were also eventually vamped.

Marius (I think) had Armand as a human houseboy (or the Renaissance equivalent) in his catacombs for quite a while before finally vamping him.

It's been so long since I've read any Anne Rice that I can't totally remember. I think maybe Marius had a thing for Pandora when she was human as well, and then he vamped her.

So maybe Marius is just deviant in the Rice!vampire world. Human-lover.

I think for the most part, they talk the long view -- they know they're around forever, so why fuck around with the short term of humans. Like Claudia (that's her name, right?) -- they wanted a little girl to play with, but the year or whatever they could get out of a real girl was bullshit.

I think Interview is the only Rice book I kept when I did some big book purge, but now I think I should re-read it.

I am watching White Collar--I am a couple weeks behind the US-- and I think they were filming the scene at the restaurant across from Grand Central Station when I was in NY. I didn't see any of the actors when I went by, but I didn't really stand around and gawk.

I think for the most part, they talk the long view -- they know they're around forever, so why fuck around with the short term of humans. Like Claudia (that's her name, right?) -- they wanted a little girl to play with, but the year or whatever they could get out of a real girl was bullshit.

That's pretty much it. Lestat always regarded humans as toys. Louis was all mopey and I AM A MONSTER!, but didn't pine after humans. Marius did keep Armand as some sort of twisted combo of pet/snack bar, but always intended to vamp him.

(Of course I know this stuff. I even re-read Interview and Lestat once a year or so.)

So Twilight and Moonlight are all Joss's fault?

I would guess more Anne Rice + Laurell K. Hamilton x premarital chastity = Twilight. It doesn't seem similar to Joss as much, since no one's really killing the vampires.

It doesn't seem similar to Joss as much, since no one's really killing the vampires.

I'm reading a popular (yet scholarly) book about the history of Faery in English culture, and most of it maps over very well to how vampires are used lately, especially in the Y&A explosion.

Anyway, I was trying to think of why and when it does or doesn't map to the Jossverse and I realized it only maps when you posit a Vampire Society. If Vampires are largely lone predators (Dracula, Angel) then it doesn't work. It doesn't work even if you have a pack of vampires (Angel, Spike, Dru, Darla) - you have to have some sort of hierachy and culture and families like in Kindred, or True Blood or Being Human. Then it maps very much to the way the Faery Courts etc. are used.

Anyway, in the Jossverse the vampires were originally intended to be a return to the monstrous (hence, the facial appliances) and they resisted romanticizing the vamps. But then it was just too juicy narratively.