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Natter 64: Yes, we still need you  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jesse - Nov 10, 2009 2:19:04 pm PST #18499 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

At the Upper School, faculty and students staged a counter-protest, wearing rainbows and holding a sign that said, "There is that of God in everyone."

And that is why they are awesome.

I have spent more money at the grocery store in the past week than I did in five years in my last place, I swear to god. But I'm going to make a pot roast tomorrow!


Sue - Nov 10, 2009 2:35:10 pm PST #18500 of 30001
hip deep in pie

So, Oz just ate several ounces of raw chicken. Should I be worried?


Sue - Nov 10, 2009 2:36:10 pm PST #18501 of 30001
hip deep in pie

I should have looked sooner when I heard plastic rustling and the groceries weren't put away.


Jesse - Nov 10, 2009 2:44:26 pm PST #18502 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

New chicken? I'm sure it's fine -- aren't we supposed to have our cats on raw chicken diets anyway?


Hil R. - Nov 10, 2009 2:51:54 pm PST #18503 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I'm reading through the decision in that case about the Jewish school in London that we were talking about yesterday. There's another family who signed onto the suit who have an even more complicated case. The mother converted, in Israel, with an Orthodox rabbi. The parents were married by an Orthodox rabbi. But the father is a Kohen (descendant of Aaron). There are special rules for a Kohen that don't apply to other Jews. One of them is that a Kohen cannot marry a convert. (This is pretty close to the only place in Jewish law that a convert is treated differently than another Jew.) In order for a conversion to be valid, the convert must agree at the time of conversion to abide by Jewish law. (If they change their mind later, they're still Jewish, but they have to go into it sincerely.) After this couple's son was born and they wanted a rabbi to perform a bris, the rabbinical council in the UK ruled that, since the wife was already planning to marry this man when she converted, and she knew that the marriage was not allowed by Jewish law, she therefore went into the conversion already deciding to violate a law, and thus her conversion is invalid. And so, her kids aren't Jewish, either.

This family attends an Orthodox synagogue, and I'm really surprised that they didn't find some way to get this worked out before the kids were applying to secondary schools. But the school said that they wouldn't accept the kid until the rabbis said the kid was Jewish. Also, the mother has been a teacher at this school for years and is head of her department there.


Sue - Nov 10, 2009 2:57:16 pm PST #18504 of 30001
hip deep in pie

New chicken? I'm sure it's fine -- aren't we supposed to have our cats on raw chicken diets anyway?

Yeah. Fresh from the grocery store. I sat done for a few minutes before I put the groceries away. Time enough for him to dig the chicken out of the bag it was in. He's very food motivated.

I may make him sleep in the basement in case he gets the runs.


SuziQ - Nov 10, 2009 3:25:27 pm PST #18505 of 30001
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

Once again, I love the hivemind. CJ's foot is doing MUCH better. Epsom salts are the bestest.

Thanks y'all.


Hil R. - Nov 10, 2009 3:30:11 pm PST #18506 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Also, I figured out what was bugging me about the ruling in that case with the school. The issue was coming up because different denominations have different definitions of "Jewish," and the question was whether it's fair for a school that's supposed to serve the entire Jewish community to use the definition from only one denomination, and thus reject kids who other denominations consider Jewish. But the test that they now have to use is not a test that has any basis in any denomination of Judaism. It's essentially based on a Christian conception of religion. A kid could qualify as Jewish under that policy who is not considered Jewish by any denomination. So the school is allowed to give preference to Jewish kids, but the decision about who is Jewish has been taken entirely out of the Jewish community.


smonster - Nov 10, 2009 3:32:59 pm PST #18507 of 30001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

Also, the mother has been a teacher at this school for years and is head of her department there.

What? Really? ...I just have a hard time seeing the point of all this, uh, attention to detail. Good thing I'm neither Orthodox nor have any desire to be!


Hil R. - Nov 10, 2009 3:37:07 pm PST #18508 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I just have a hard time seeing the point of all this, uh, attention to detail. Good thing I'm neither Orthodox nor have any desire to be!

It's one of the most nit-picky decisions I've ever seen on this sort of question. One of the other families involved in the case is one where the mother converted in Israel and the Israeli rabbinate still recognizes her conversion as valid, but the London rabbis don't.