Giles: Helping out with the dishes makes me feel useful. Dawn: Wanna clean out the garage with us Saturday? You could feel indispensable.

'Dirty Girls'


Buffista Movies 7: Brides for 7 Samurai  

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Jessica - Jan 06, 2010 4:32:08 pm PST #5983 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

THIS THIS THIS:

First of all, when we analyze art, when we look for deeper meaning in it, we are enjoying it for what it is. Because that is one of the things about art, be it highbrow, lowbrow, mainstream, or avant-garde: Some sort of thought went into its making — even if the thought was, “I’m going to do this as thoughtlessly as possible”! — and as a result, some sort of thought can be gotten from its reception.

The post-film nitpicking is part of the experience for me. If I'm not going to analyze a film and pick it apart, why see it at all?


Volans - Jan 06, 2010 4:43:11 pm PST #5984 of 30000
move out and draw fire

If I am not thinking critically about afilm (or book or TV show or whatever) it cleary didn't engage me at any worthwhile level.

But I agree that pissing on someone's Cheerios is bad form also.


DavidS - Jan 06, 2010 4:45:30 pm PST #5985 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

But I agree that pissing on someone's Cheerios is bad form also.

My friends and I agreed on a half hour to hour grace period where those who enjoyed the movie could have an afterglow before those who disdained were allowed to pick it apart.

Basically not just railing about it as soon as you walk out the door, but coming back to the conversation when you were back home or out eating.


amych - Jan 06, 2010 4:50:07 pm PST #5986 of 30000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

If I am not thinking critically about a film (or book or TV show or whatever) it cleary didn't engage me at any worthwhile level.

YES YES YES YES YES. Not to mention the tremendous pleasure of rolling even the very shiniest of shiny things over and over and around and looking at it from different angles that make you squint and refocus and go "huh! a whole other facet of shiny!"


Volans - Jan 06, 2010 4:51:06 pm PST #5987 of 30000
move out and draw fire

What I get all the time and hate is, "What did you think of (let's say District 9 for example), Raq?"

Raq: "Great effects."

"I know! And it really made you think!"

Raq: "I guess. I thought it was Lethal Weapon. I mean, one of the "unlikely partner guys" is even working on his boat."

(long pause) "Wow, you really think about these things, don't you?"


Jessica - Jan 06, 2010 4:53:42 pm PST #5988 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

My friends and I agreed on a half hour to hour grace period where those who enjoyed the movie could have an afterglow before those who disdained were allowed to pick it apart.

But it's a false dichotomy - I pick apart movies I love just as much as I do movies I hate (if not moreso), and I almost always have something I want to say the second the end credits roll to make sure I don't forget about it later.

Mostly I try not to see movies with people unless I know they'll enjoy tearing them apart with me afterwards. Having to hold my tongue to respect someone else's desire to "just enjoy it for what it is" will almost invariably lead to my hating the film because of the bad mood that not being able to talk about it puts me in.


DavidS - Jan 06, 2010 5:05:13 pm PST #5989 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

But it's a false dichotomy

It's more of a compromise. Besides, it's not something you're beholden to. Just an agreement among my college circle of friends.

Also, I think some people just like to sit with their reaction after the end of the movie. Sometimes you walk out of a movie feeling one way, and when you've distanced yourself from that immediate, often visceral, experience, you might pick it apart and feel (for example) that it was too manipulative and got that emotional charge from you based on some cheap tearjerking (children in jeopardy! Soaring string section!) instead of earning it narratively.


Laga - Jan 06, 2010 5:20:55 pm PST #5990 of 30000
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

javachik - Jan 06, 2010 5:21:55 pm PST #5991 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

The post-film nitpicking is part of the experience for me. If I'm not going to analyze a film and pick it apart, why see it at all?

This is true for me, too.

Megan Walker and I had a great experience recently, when we saw A Simple Man and walked out of the theatre hating every single character in the movie. We were all "let's go look at the poster and stare at it and make sure it was really the Coens..." and there was a tall man standing in front of the poster, sort of in post-movie euphoria.

I asked him sincerely "did you like this movie"?

"Yes. It was exceptional. I grew up in Minneapolis during the time period depicted and this movie captured the experience perfectly. What did you think?"

Megan and I both gulped and I asked "so it was just like that? ...did you absolutely loathe every single person who surrounded you?"

"Yes."

And we all burst out laughing. But that little moment led me to rethink the movie and appreciate what it accomplished. I just didn't have the cultural reference points to properly evaluate it. But I've never had that problem with any previous Coen bros movie.


megan walker - Jan 06, 2010 5:23:28 pm PST #5992 of 30000
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

Psst, A Serious Man.

Regardless, that was too funny.