Everything looks good from here... Yes. Yes, this is a fertile land, and we will thrive. We will rule over all this land, and we will call it... 'This Land.' I think we should call it 'your grave!' Ah, curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal! Ha ha HA! Mine is an evil laugh! Now die! Oh, no, God! Oh, dear God in heaven!

Wash ,'Serenity'


Spike's Bitches 44: It's about the rules having changed.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


DavidS - Apr 10, 2009 3:44:28 pm PDT #6392 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

It is Spring Break at Casa Holt. [link] Bobby and friends.

I can smell the chlorine.

I don't think there's a problem with advocating good health as a personal virtue. In fact, I support that notion. It is virtuous. It's better for you, and it's better for the society. If smoking had been banned in offices decades ago there would've been hundreds of thousands of fewer deaths by second hand smoke. I think banning smoking in bars and restaurants similarly spares restaurant workers.

I'm not convinced there's a direct correlation between advocating health (and I have a hard time seeing why anybody would think that's a bad idea), and the culture of shame and judgment about obesity. Or even non-skinniness.

It may give some people a place of smug superiority upon which to rest their judgments, but people are weird about culturally derived notions of beauty. Fair skin used to be in, then tans, now fake tans. Different body shapes and types have been in vogue in different eras and cultures. There's always going to be some hierarchy of culturally derived desirability.


brenda m - Apr 10, 2009 3:47:46 pm PDT #6393 of 30000
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Getting on my flight in Charlotte 5 hours late. I feel like Drew.


Vortex - Apr 10, 2009 4:00:15 pm PDT #6394 of 30000
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I only wear pants to bed if I have a houseguest.

See, that's when I don't wear pants.


Hil R. - Apr 10, 2009 4:34:50 pm PDT #6395 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Visited a bunch of relatives. I don't really want to get into details right now, but I just need to say, Alzheimer's really really sucks.


Vortex - Apr 10, 2009 4:42:27 pm PDT #6396 of 30000
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

sorry, Hil


Hil R. - Apr 10, 2009 4:49:30 pm PDT #6397 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Thanks, Vortex. I've got one relative who died of it, two more in advanced stages, and one who might be in the early stages. (Well, OK, two of those four aren't technically relatives, but they're either married into the family or such close family friends that they might as well be family.) It's just tragic and terrifying to watch.


sarameg - Apr 10, 2009 4:57:46 pm PDT #6398 of 30000

I've had standard dementia in my family, but early onset alz in a close family friend which has been difficult to say the least. It sucks and its heartbreaking and awful. I'm sorry you have to go through it too.


Laura - Apr 10, 2009 5:08:12 pm PDT #6399 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

I'm sorry, Hil. It is horribly difficult for the loved ones.


sj - Apr 10, 2009 5:12:17 pm PDT #6400 of 30000
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

{{{Hil}}} Alzheimer's is so difficult and heartbreaking. I'm sorry.

There was just a tribute to Adenhart, the baseball player that was killed the other day in a hit and run with two of his friends, before the start of the A's/Red Sox game. So sad.


Steph L. - Apr 10, 2009 5:36:35 pm PDT #6401 of 30000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I'm not convinced there's a direct correlation between advocating health (and I have a hard time seeing why anybody would think that's a bad idea)

Advocating behaviors that lead to good health is not the same thing as setting up health/healthy behavior as a *virtue.* Making it a virtue creates a false dichotomy where one set of behavior makes you a "good" person, and another set makes you a "bad" person, when in fact the behavior is entirely morally neutral.

You may think I'm arguing semantics, but "virtue" has a very specific meaning, and that matters.

Also, I fail to see how "unhealthy" behaviors that impact only the individual engaging in them affect society.

Obviously secondhand smoke isn't in the same category, because smoking is a behavior that affects the people around the smoker. But one person's consumption of Twinkies doesn't affect society.