I never think of her as a "female character", because she's a gigantic spider-demon.
Best that we don't, probably. I was just being flip.
Okay, um, I'm lost. Uh, I'm angry, and I'm armed, so if you two have something that you need to work out --
Mal ,'War Stories'
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-t - Jul 13, 2009 10:04:33 am PDT #16460 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
sumi - Jul 13, 2009 10:18:27 am PDT #16461 of 30000
Art Crawl!!!
Oh come on, without Luthian we wouldn't have Aragorn or Elrond!
StuntHusband - Jul 13, 2009 10:18:44 am PDT #16462 of 30000
Electromagnetic candy! - Stark
I was just being flip.
I can't ever tell - especially when my geekiness is engaged. It's all a serious question that needs a serious answer. (sigh)
-t - Jul 13, 2009 10:20:08 am PDT #16463 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
I am all for the serious answer to the flip question, actually. Makes for fun thinking.
StuntHusband - Jul 13, 2009 10:21:53 am PDT #16464 of 30000
Electromagnetic candy! - Stark
Oh come on, without Luthian we wouldn't have Aragorn or Elrond!
Pish. :) Illogical extreme: without Illuvatar, we wouldn't have the *world* for the story to take place.
Luthien is the centerpiece of a different work - the Quenta Silmarillion. She's no more significant to the story of LotR than Arvedui Lastking is; just another ancestor (illustrious, without question) of Aragorn. (And all these Halfelf marriages are so incestuous - Elros is Aragorn's umpteen-gazillionth granddad, and is Elrond's brother. So Arwen is Aragorn's 1st cousin.)
Luthien (and Beren) make me cry; that's what's on the Tolkiens' tombstones; that's how he thought of her. (Tearing up typing this; I'm so mushy inside.)
sumi - Jul 13, 2009 10:25:18 am PDT #16465 of 30000
Art Crawl!!!
Yeah, first cousin many times removed. (I'm not sure how much that matters. Of course, it probably depends on how much that family on the human side intermarried. I really can't recall that.)
-t - Jul 13, 2009 10:25:49 am PDT #16466 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
Arwen is Aragorn's 1st cousin.
Umpteen-gazillion times removed
(Consanguinity x-post, nice)
beth b - Jul 13, 2009 10:31:11 am PDT #16467 of 30000
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!
wow
what does it mean when I followed the asshook conversation with less effort than the Tolkin conversation.
StuntHusband - Jul 13, 2009 10:31:30 am PDT #16468 of 30000
Electromagnetic candy! - Stark
Of course, it probably depends on how much that family on the human side intermarried.
I'm not sure it's delineated; Tolkien was (apparently; the MSS of "The Silmarillion" are unrevealed at this point, so what we have is filtered through Christopher's editing) taking a very broad, Biblical-style approach to those begettings. Long lines of ruling Kings and Queens, but nothing else about their families. The presumption is that, since the lifespans go from Methuselah (almost exactly - 900-some-odd for Elros Tar-Minyatur) to the "lesser" Mannish of about 80, the ruling line had married outside of the nobility extensively.
I think Tolkien wasn't concerned about consanguinity; they're effectively different *species*. :) Humans, and "what humans should be".
smonster - Jul 13, 2009 10:34:45 am PDT #16469 of 30000
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.
what does it mean when I followed the asshook conversation with less effort than the Tolkin conversation.
ilu, beth.