Has anyone seriously suggested putting ratings on books? I think I remember some publisher doing ratings, but I think it was limited to YA books.

Has anyone seriously suggested putting ratings on books?

Whenever Publisher's Weekly or Booklist review children's books, they put a recommended grade range. Amazon and B&N have them as well. In terms of an actual hard and fast rating, that has tended to fail like the coyote trying to catch the road runner. It's proven too difficult to come up with hard and fast guidelines that publishers would be willing to adhere to.

Has anyone seriously suggested putting ratings on books?

I think they'd get into the same issue as happened with music. It just takes one dominant retailer (like Wal-Mart) to insist on "clean" content and then suddenly Are You There God, It's Me Margaret? is de facto banned.

right, it is the reader's responsibility to ask, not the author's to warn.

I don't agree with this. But there are obviously many POVs about this issue, so not everyone is going to agree.

It just takes one dominant retailer (like Wal-Mart) to insist on "clean" content and then suddenly Are You There God, It's Me Margaret? is de facto banned.

As it is, with Wal-Mart being the single largest book retailer right now, it's hard for some publishers to get their books carried, simply because of the covers, let alone the content.

Freakin' Wal-Mart.

Tep, I see where you're coming from, but at the same time, I'm always going to fall on the side that a writer can't allow the outside world and its potential concerns to intrude when writing. However, once that's said and done, I see no reason a writer couldn't take a step back, look at their work and say, "Hmm... there are some potentially disturbing things here, if people ask, I'm going to be open about it." Of course, that depends upon how much of the plot hinges on the disturbing material or event.

It's a catch-22 and as individual as every story.

As it is, with Wal-Mart being the single largest book retailer right now, it's hard for some publishers to get their books carried, simply because of the covers, let alone the content.

I shouldn't be surprised that Wal-Mart is the biggest book retailer. But it seems very sad. I don't know about most Wall-Marts but all the ones around me have a book selection that is about the same or less than a B&N's bargain books section.

Tep, I see where you're coming from, but at the same time, I'm always going to fall on the side that a writer can't allow the outside world and its potential concerns to intrude when writing.

I don't think that any writer should change the content of their story, just because they fear triggering someone. Maybe I wasn't clear about that. Writers can write rapefic involving underage oompa-loompas (see how I worked in orange?), and that's cool.

But putting a warning about specific content doesn't change that content; it just lets people know that they might not want to read it.

Do you think that putting a warning on fanfic (not books) about something like rape is compromising the writer's artistic integrity? Am I misunderstanding you?

I'm always going to fall on the side that a writer can't allow the outside world and its potential concerns to intrude when writing.

I don't think anyone is arguing otherwise. Warnings aren't about the content of the story, they're about the attached metadata once it's published.

To me, the big difference between "fic" and "books" here is that nobody walks into a Barnes & Noble with the expectation that they're entering a safe community space. Whereas fandom frequently does serve that function, and warnings can be a way of maintaining that.

(I also think there's something to be said for respecting the wishes of people who have been through in real life the things that you (generic you) are fictionalizing. If you get an email about your orangefic saying "Hey, I'm an orange survivor and this story was triggering for me - would you mind adding a warning to the header?" and your response is "Oh, get over it and stop whining" well maybe you're not exactly the best person to be writing about oranges in the first place, you know?)

OK, I am not much of a fic reader, but this discussion is making me wonder - how do people find stories they want to read if there aren't tags giving some clue as to what happens in them?

OK, I am not much of a fic reader, but this discussion is making me wonder - how do people find stories they want to read if there aren't tags giving some clue as to what happens in them?

there are tags, but some authors don't like to be specific because they don't want to give away a plot point.