If you take sexual advantage of her, you're going to burn in a very special level of hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater.

Book ,'Our Mrs. Reynolds'


Spike's Bitches 44: It's about the rules having changed.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


P.M. Marc - Jun 29, 2009 8:54:32 am PDT #14521 of 30000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Yes, I expect a lot of people from either side are going, "Please get off my side."

Part of the problem is that I don't think it's a binary for/against situation, but it's being treated like one by too many of the people involved.


beth b - Jun 29, 2009 8:55:11 am PDT #14522 of 30000
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

I think it just harder to do , Vortex. But I think you can go pretty simple. NC-17 is usually enough to say sex and violence are mixed together . Which would tell me enough that I there might be a trigger issue for someone in the work. But then again, if I had a trigger issue, I wouldn't have any problems asking - is there a raoe scene , or child abuse seen in the work. Even for a published books -- why risk it?


SailAweigh - Jun 29, 2009 8:56:05 am PDT #14523 of 30000
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

As someone who has been triggered in some very uncomfortable circumstances, I would prefer even trade paperbacks to come with warnings, much less fanfiction. I've put books down and never returned to them when I realized where the story was going and have even avoided reading sequels that refered to the triggering event. I had a near meltdown at work one time listening to an audiobook that didn't have a warning. It's not pleasant to be put through these things and, while I don't demand that warnings be given, it is something I would really, really like to see happen.


beth b - Jun 29, 2009 8:58:12 am PDT #14524 of 30000
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

Well, it would be good if there was someplace to ask. There are lots of books out there. skipping the ones with triggering events -- seems good.


SailAweigh - Jun 29, 2009 9:00:42 am PDT #14525 of 30000
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

if there was someplace to ask.

That's a thought. An online archive where people can post the warnings. That way, it's not on the book cover, in the introduction, summary, whatever, but it is available for those who really care to know.


Barb - Jun 29, 2009 9:01:51 am PDT #14526 of 30000
“Not dead yet!”

There are lots of books out there. skipping the ones with triggering events -- seems good.

With respect to books, this is generally where I have to say that amazon reviews have their purpose. Many of the people who review on their will give away telling incidents in books or at the very least, give fair warning.

Or the amazon book forums, useless as they generally are, can actually provide a fair amount of help with something like this.


Vortex - Jun 29, 2009 9:01:57 am PDT #14527 of 30000
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

But then again, if I had a trigger issue, I wouldn't have any problems asking - is there a raoe scene , or child abuse seen in the work. Even for a published books -- why risk it?

right, it is the reader's responsibility to ask, not the author's to warn.


Connie Neil - Jun 29, 2009 9:02:14 am PDT #14528 of 30000
brillig

Has anyone seriously suggested putting ratings on books? I think I remember some publisher doing ratings, but I think it was limited to YA books.


Barb - Jun 29, 2009 9:05:00 am PDT #14529 of 30000
“Not dead yet!”

Has anyone seriously suggested putting ratings on books?

Whenever Publisher's Weekly or Booklist review children's books, they put a recommended grade range. Amazon and B&N have them as well. In terms of an actual hard and fast rating, that has tended to fail like the coyote trying to catch the road runner. It's proven too difficult to come up with hard and fast guidelines that publishers would be willing to adhere to.


DavidS - Jun 29, 2009 9:16:41 am PDT #14530 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Has anyone seriously suggested putting ratings on books?

I think they'd get into the same issue as happened with music. It just takes one dominant retailer (like Wal-Mart) to insist on "clean" content and then suddenly Are You There God, It's Me Margaret? is de facto banned.