Cordelia: I get it now. You're all spies. Probably all Russian. And you've brainwashed me, and want me to believe we're friends so I'll spill the beans about some nano-technology thingy that you want. Gunn: So I look Russian to you? Cordelia: Black Russian. Angel: That's a drink.

'Hell Bound'


Spike's Bitches 44: It's about the rules having changed.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


P.M. Marc - Jun 29, 2009 8:38:00 am PDT #14515 of 30000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Pro-warning people are saying, wow, is it that hard to be a decent human being?

A fair number on that side, though, are also saying that if you do not agree with them 100% at all times, you are therefore a horrible human.

And, you know, I have triggers. I don't agree with them 100% at all times on how to make fandom a safer space.

There's a lot of people talking past each other. There's a lot of people telling people they don't know anything about their own mental conditions. It's a mess, and frankly, very few people involved aren't covered in mud right now.


Toddson - Jun 29, 2009 8:39:05 am PDT #14516 of 30000
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

In general, I'd say that some kind of trigger warning shouldn't be a problem ... unless the piece is nothing but the triggering material, which implies to me that the piece is lacking.

I'm just wondering if, assuming trigger warnings became widespread, would we see someone running across them and taking the position that because they are a very special snowflake with major issues, no one should write anything that would be a trigger for them.


Connie Neil - Jun 29, 2009 8:48:09 am PDT #14517 of 30000
brillig

because they are a very special snowflake with major issues, no one should write anything that would be a trigger for them.

Because just knowing that something could trigger them might trigger them, and they left their plastic bubble at home.


Vortex - Jun 29, 2009 8:50:07 am PDT #14518 of 30000
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I want to be sensitive, but what happened to buyer beware? I mean, why is it the writer's responsibility to ensure the comfort of the potential reader? If the writer doesn't warn, isn't it incumbent on the people who are reading to find out if there's a problem or to choose not to read the fic?


Calli - Jun 29, 2009 8:51:18 am PDT #14519 of 30000
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

It's a mess, and frankly, very few people involved aren't covered in mud right now.

Yes, I expect a lot of people from either side are going, "Please get off my side."

I'm just wondering if, assuming trigger warnings became widespread, would we see someone running across them and taking the position that because they are a very special snowflake with major issues, no one should write anything that would be a trigger for them.

I suppose. And the ensuing,"Get stuffed" would be deafening.


meara - Jun 29, 2009 8:53:36 am PDT #14520 of 30000

Fay, skinit has a peacock feather skin I'm just sayin'. (And now I'm torn between getting that one for my netbook, because it look so cool, and the biohazard symbol, because...want!).


P.M. Marc - Jun 29, 2009 8:54:32 am PDT #14521 of 30000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Yes, I expect a lot of people from either side are going, "Please get off my side."

Part of the problem is that I don't think it's a binary for/against situation, but it's being treated like one by too many of the people involved.


beth b - Jun 29, 2009 8:55:11 am PDT #14522 of 30000
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

I think it just harder to do , Vortex. But I think you can go pretty simple. NC-17 is usually enough to say sex and violence are mixed together . Which would tell me enough that I there might be a trigger issue for someone in the work. But then again, if I had a trigger issue, I wouldn't have any problems asking - is there a raoe scene , or child abuse seen in the work. Even for a published books -- why risk it?


SailAweigh - Jun 29, 2009 8:56:05 am PDT #14523 of 30000
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

As someone who has been triggered in some very uncomfortable circumstances, I would prefer even trade paperbacks to come with warnings, much less fanfiction. I've put books down and never returned to them when I realized where the story was going and have even avoided reading sequels that refered to the triggering event. I had a near meltdown at work one time listening to an audiobook that didn't have a warning. It's not pleasant to be put through these things and, while I don't demand that warnings be given, it is something I would really, really like to see happen.


beth b - Jun 29, 2009 8:58:12 am PDT #14524 of 30000
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

Well, it would be good if there was someplace to ask. There are lots of books out there. skipping the ones with triggering events -- seems good.