We knocked 'em deader!

Willow ,'Lies My Parents Told Me'


Spike's Bitches 44: It's about the rules having changed.  

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Barb - Jun 04, 2009 3:27:21 pm PDT #11883 of 30000
“Not dead yet!”

"Ewwwww?"

Is he twelve, Hil?


Hil R. - Jun 04, 2009 3:40:22 pm PDT #11884 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

That last "ewwww," where I ended the conversation, was in response to a comment that I'd made, kind of on a tangent we'd gone off on (possible trigger warning here for the rest of this paragraph, I guess), that when a baby is stillborn, a lot of parents want to have the baby cleaned up and wrapped in a blanket so that they can hold and look at him or her, and say their goodbyes. I'd had no idea that would inspire that sort of reaction.


§ ita § - Jun 04, 2009 3:50:34 pm PDT #11885 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Sounds similar to some people's aversion to open casket funerals.


Barb - Jun 04, 2009 3:59:09 pm PDT #11886 of 30000
“Not dead yet!”

But it's true. Some parents want and/or need that closure. And to go "ewwww," seems not only immature but utterly disrespectful. What an ass.


§ ita § - Jun 04, 2009 4:02:42 pm PDT #11887 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't have any problem with the practice, but corpses are visceral for many people, so that's not something I judge him harshly on.


Hil R. - Jun 04, 2009 4:22:09 pm PDT #11888 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I don't like open-casket funerals, but wouldn't say "ewwww" to a mention of one. This seems different to me, since it's pretty much the only time the parents will get to see that baby.


Hil R. - Jun 04, 2009 4:42:04 pm PDT #11889 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

On a totally different note, a few days ago, my mother kept giving me all kinds of hypothetical questions about what I'd do if my husband wanted meat for dinner. She didn't think that "then he can cook it himself" was a good enough answer. She told me that the wife of the rabbi at our synagogue is vegetarian, but the rabbi isn't, and the rabbi was mostly OK with it, but really felt like Friday night dinners should have meat, so they compromised on having meat for Friday night dinners, but everything in the house would be vegetarian for all other meals. She asked if I'd be OK with that, and I said I wasn't sure. Then she gave me a ton of other scenarios, and apparently my answer to all of them was wrong.

Do I really need to have proxy arguments with my hypothetical husband before I even meet him?


Sean K - Jun 04, 2009 4:43:07 pm PDT #11890 of 30000
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Seriously, Hil? WTF?


amych - Jun 04, 2009 4:46:21 pm PDT #11891 of 30000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Do I really need to have proxy arguments with my hypothetical husband before I even meet him?

Yes. Because anyone you'd marry wouldn't have that argument, because he'd find "cook it himself" to be a perfectly sensible solution, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER VEG/NON-VEG MIXED MARRIAGE I KNOW. So you have to have these arguments with your mother, or else you'll never have the opportunity to have them at all.


Hil R. - Jun 04, 2009 4:56:31 pm PDT #11892 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Because anyone you'd marry wouldn't have that argument, because he'd find "cook it himself" to be a perfectly sensible solution, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER VEG/NON-VEG MIXED MARRIAGE I KNOW.

Response from Mom: What if he can't cook? What if he's really not happy unless he comes home to a meal, and he wants that meal to have meat? (In Mom-world, professional chefs are the only men who can cook, it seems.) She also responded to several of my answers with "Shalom bayis," which is basically Jewish-speak for "It's more important to have a peaceful home than to be right." I already expect "shalom bayis" lectures from my mom when I do eventually get married and have arguments with my husband; I don't need these lectures in hypothetical arguments!