Mal: Does she understand that? River: She understands. She doesn't comprehend.

'Objects In Space'


Natter 60: Gone In 60 Seconds  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


sumi - Aug 18, 2008 8:14:22 am PDT #3955 of 10003
Art Crawl!!!

I can't believe it's been a year!


amych - Aug 18, 2008 8:16:04 am PDT #3956 of 10003
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

I think that expecting the person to figure it out can create a lot of stress and pressure, and implies that if you *can't* figure it out, you aren't really a good friend/don't REALLY love your spouse/etc.

I do get that, but at the same time I really don't want anything, and I tell them so. Or I tell people who push it to take me out to dinner sometime, or come hang out, or otherwise spend time. And failing that, "oh, any old thing". I feel fairly self-conscious at people giving me things at all, and positively horrified at the thought that they did so because they feel like they're obligated to.

When I say "it feels like a shopping list" I don't mean "they're making me do the work". I mean "I feel like I'm using them like a servant". And I've learned to be pretty point blank about saying that if I say I don't want anything, I'm not playing the coy "you have to guess the perfect thing" game.

If someone wants to, spontaneously, because it's Tuesday? Awesome. I love to do that too, and I have huge gratitude for people who do it. But Christmas and birthdays and especially Valentines and anniversaries and such, I have Teh Issues about anyone getting me anything because some rule outside of our relationship says they're supposed to, so they must not really want to.


Steph L. - Aug 18, 2008 8:20:16 am PDT #3957 of 10003
I look more rad than Lutheranism

but at the same time I really don't want anything, and I tell them so.

To be fair, I wasn't talking about people like you. I didn't mean people who truly don't want anything and aren't just playing a mindfuck.

I meant people who dislike being asked what they want, because that means the other person doesn't know you well enough to find a gift that suits you to a T and captures the essence of your relationship and commemorates whatever holiday it also happens to be.

Seriously, there's a reason Amazon has wish lists.


Shir - Aug 18, 2008 8:21:30 am PDT #3958 of 10003
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

for the people who don't want to be asked what you want as a gift, how do you respond when someone asks you what you want?

I tell them the first thing comes to mind. I want a lot of things, it's fairly easy.

But I'm being about this subject not only because I have so to speak rules about it. I mean, one day or another I get the stuff I want, if I'll still want them by then.

It's the people's company that I cherish and want most of all. Not the presents. That's a minor.


aurelia - Aug 18, 2008 8:22:14 am PDT #3959 of 10003
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

how do you feel about monetary gifts?

That's what my parents do. It's cool, but I can't get away with doing the same in return and they are hard to shop for.


amych - Aug 18, 2008 8:22:29 am PDT #3960 of 10003
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Gotcha, Tep. Since I'd just answered in that vein, I kinda kept on going. My issues, let me show you them!

I think we're in agreement that Mindfuckery? Bad.


lisah - Aug 18, 2008 8:23:26 am PDT #3961 of 10003
Punishingly Intricate

And a follow-up question for the people who don't like being asked what they want for a present: how do you feel about monetary gifts?

My parents will sometimes give me money that's designated for a present and I'm grateful for it, for sure! but also I end up feeling like I should spend it on something practical. Like the mortgage.

I'm really grateful for any present!


Steph L. - Aug 18, 2008 8:25:57 am PDT #3962 of 10003
I look more rad than Lutheranism

It's cool, but I can't get away with doing the same in return and they are hard to shop for.

So do you ask them for a list?

I'm honestly very curious about this, because my family has always done lists, and no one has ever viewed it as "Since Dad gave me a list of what he wants, now it's an obligation and not an actual heartfelt gift."

Why is it any less heartfelt to give someone what they want? Does it mean I love my dad less because I ask him what he wants? I don't understand that.


lisah - Aug 18, 2008 8:26:19 am PDT #3963 of 10003
Punishingly Intricate

I meant people who dislike being asked what they want, because that means the other person doesn't know you well enough to find a gift that suits you to a T and captures the essence of your relationship and commemorates whatever holiday it also happens to be.

Well I don't know anybody who'd describe themselves this way and I really don't think that's what I mean! I hope I'm not that person!


Jesse - Aug 18, 2008 8:27:11 am PDT #3964 of 10003
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I usually tell people categories, when they ask -- I'm always happy with books, sometimes I want more jewelry, or towels, or something like that.

The people related to me are not familiar with the Amazon Wish List.