Boy, I loved Grizzly Man. I don't think Treadwell was selfishly stupid so much as a delusional Don Quixote tilting at imagined giants.
Never saw the movie in question, though.
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Hayden - Apr 10, 2008 6:24:56 am PDT #4929 of 10000
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bon bon - Apr 10, 2008 6:34:45 am PDT #4930 of 10000
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.
I could see missing Grizzly Man because Treadwell is so annoying. But there's no implication in the movie that Treadwell is admirable. Herzog is kind of notorious for believing that nature is out to kill you, and I think you leave the film pitying Treadwell, but not feeling like you should like him.
Jessica - Apr 10, 2008 6:38:46 am PDT #4931 of 10000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Herzog is kind of notorious for believing that nature is out to kill you
Yeah, there are numerous sequences in the film where Treadwell is waxing lyrical about how wonderful bears are and how only he understands them and how when you look into a bear's eyes you see how kind and good and gentle they are, which Herzog intercuts with close-ups of bears looking mean and predatory while his own VO narration says something to the effect of "Bears are godless killing machines."
Matt the Bruins fan - Apr 10, 2008 6:41:57 am PDT #4932 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
I don't necessarily think he was self-righteous. he never expected to change anyone's minds about the way they lived their life. he just did things the way he wanted to do them.
I do agree about the heedless part though. he seemed pretty oblivious to the affect he had on others.
Self-absorbed may be a better description, though we usually think of that in the context of someone also being shallow and vapid, which he plainly was not. I never got a clear sense of whether he was so much a free spirit that it never occurred to him that vanishing from people's lives would be hurtful, or if he understood it and just didn't care at all.
Cashmere - Apr 10, 2008 6:44:45 am PDT #4933 of 10000
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I would have like Into the Wild to touch on the fact that there was a hand-operated tram 1/4 mile away from where MacCandless tried to cross the swollen river. Or that if he had a MAP of the area, he could have walked out of there.
I think the film glosses over his heedless, reckless behavior. I don't think he was self-righteous, but he was definitely naive.
bon bon - Apr 10, 2008 6:45:26 am PDT #4934 of 10000
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.
which Herzog intercuts with close-ups of bears looking mean and predatory while his own VO narration says something to the effect of "Bears are godless killing machines."
Ha! It's like the scene in the Simpsons where we see Homer's pet lobster from Homer's point of view (The Little Mermaid lobster) and Marge's (real lobster).
Sean K - Apr 10, 2008 6:46:02 am PDT #4935 of 10000
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Haven't seen either movie yet, so I can't really comment.
S wants to see Into the Wild because she's a big Krakauer fan (she's reading Under the Banner of Heaven right now). I want to see it because I like Penn as a director.
We both want to see Grizzly Man because we're both Herzog fans.
megan walker - Apr 10, 2008 6:55:38 am PDT #4936 of 10000
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist
Herzog intercuts with close-ups of bears looking mean and predatory while his own VO narration says something to the effect of "Bears are godless killing machines."
So, Herzog and Stephen Colbert, separated at birth?
Frankenbuddha - Apr 10, 2008 6:59:37 am PDT #4937 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Ah, Herzog. So brilliant. So crazy.
I'm still sorry I missed Rescue Dawn while it was in theaters. And I really must watch my DVD of Aguirre.
Jessica - Apr 10, 2008 7:03:00 am PDT #4938 of 10000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
So, Herzog and Stephen Colbert, separated at birth?
Exactly.