I didn't know anything about that film going in. It really, really upset me. I'm an idiot like McCandless in many ways, it turned out.
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Kevin - Apr 09, 2008 2:18:37 pm PDT #4923 of 10000
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.
juliana - Apr 09, 2008 2:20:49 pm PDT #4924 of 10000
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…
Although I thought the performances and the directing were amazing, I really disliked self-righteous, heedless Chris McCandless and felt bad for all the people he hurt along his journey.
That's why I can't watch that movie (or Grizzly Man, for that matter).
Kevin - Apr 09, 2008 2:24:19 pm PDT #4925 of 10000
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.
Unsurprisingly, Grizzly Man is on my list of favourite movies.
tiggy - Apr 09, 2008 2:52:11 pm PDT #4926 of 10000
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore
I don't necessarily think he was self-righteous. he never expected to change anyone's minds about the way they lived their life. he just did things the way he wanted to do them.
I do agree about the heedless part though. he seemed pretty oblivious to the affect he had on others.
Kevin - Apr 10, 2008 3:53:37 am PDT #4927 of 10000
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.
Yeah, the bits in the movie I found upsetting were his sisters comments.
lisah - Apr 10, 2008 6:15:11 am PDT #4928 of 10000
Punishingly Intricate
That's why I can't watch that movie (or Grizzly Man, for that matter).
Me too. Hate that kind of selfish stupidity so much.
Hayden - Apr 10, 2008 6:24:56 am PDT #4929 of 10000
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."
Boy, I loved Grizzly Man. I don't think Treadwell was selfishly stupid so much as a delusional Don Quixote tilting at imagined giants.
Never saw the movie in question, though.
bon bon - Apr 10, 2008 6:34:45 am PDT #4930 of 10000
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.
I could see missing Grizzly Man because Treadwell is so annoying. But there's no implication in the movie that Treadwell is admirable. Herzog is kind of notorious for believing that nature is out to kill you, and I think you leave the film pitying Treadwell, but not feeling like you should like him.
Jessica - Apr 10, 2008 6:38:46 am PDT #4931 of 10000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Herzog is kind of notorious for believing that nature is out to kill you
Yeah, there are numerous sequences in the film where Treadwell is waxing lyrical about how wonderful bears are and how only he understands them and how when you look into a bear's eyes you see how kind and good and gentle they are, which Herzog intercuts with close-ups of bears looking mean and predatory while his own VO narration says something to the effect of "Bears are godless killing machines."
Matt the Bruins fan - Apr 10, 2008 6:41:57 am PDT #4932 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
I don't necessarily think he was self-righteous. he never expected to change anyone's minds about the way they lived their life. he just did things the way he wanted to do them.
I do agree about the heedless part though. he seemed pretty oblivious to the affect he had on others.
Self-absorbed may be a better description, though we usually think of that in the context of someone also being shallow and vapid, which he plainly was not. I never got a clear sense of whether he was so much a free spirit that it never occurred to him that vanishing from people's lives would be hurtful, or if he understood it and just didn't care at all.