Don't belong. Dangerous, like you. Can't be controlled. Can't be trusted. Everyone could just go on without me and not have to worry. People could be what they wanted to be. Could be with the people they wanted. Live simple. No secrets.

River ,'Objects In Space'


Cable Drama: Still Waiting for the Cable Guy to Show Up with the Thread Name...

To be determined... (but it's definitely [NAFDA])


§ ita § - Feb 24, 2010 6:20:08 am PST #4436 of 12004
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

You don't have to have stereotypical inherent flaws to have an interesting character.

Peter's absolutely who I was thinking of to disagree with the point. Sure, it's fun to have a douchebag like Nathan Ford, but you don't have to go there. And for women it's too often framed like being kickass means you have to give up something (note, I don't watch IPS, so I have no opinion on the specifics) to be able to compete in a predominantly masculine world. Whereas the male protagonists often display nothing worse than obsessiveness and a bit of situational tone-deafness.


Frankenbuddha - Feb 24, 2010 6:27:58 am PST #4437 of 12004
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

See "car always breaking down" equals "bad luck" to me, which seems gender-neutral, but I guess it would matter on how they played it. I've not seen the show.


Zenkitty - Feb 24, 2010 6:30:57 am PST #4438 of 12004
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

They made it seem like her car was a POS, as opposed to it just being a run of bad luck.


Vortex - Feb 24, 2010 6:41:04 am PST #4439 of 12004
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I forgot about that. I thought that was ridiculous - she makes a decent salary, if she can afford that nice house with room for her mom and sister too; she can't buy a new car? Especially since being able to get places reliably was an important part of her job.

And the kicker is that as a US Marshal, THEY GIVE YOU A GOVERNMENT CAR!! I can't tell you how many marshals I knew who didn't even have jobs where they really needed to be running around who had cars.


Zenkitty - Feb 24, 2010 6:55:13 am PST #4440 of 12004
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Writer research fail. Can I be a US Marshal? Oh, wait. No, I can't. The government doesn't let people like me have badges!


Vortex - Feb 24, 2010 7:10:44 am PST #4441 of 12004
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Writer research fail

That's my point. I don't see it as a research fail, I think that it was a deliberate choice in order to give her a flaw.


brenda m - Feb 24, 2010 7:15:17 am PST #4442 of 12004
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I don't see it as a research fail, I think that it was a deliberate choice in order to give her a flaw.

Yeah. The breakdowns aren't played as bad luck - it's her having this crappy car and refusing to do anything about it to demonstrate stubborness or lack or control or something in a way that's really not necessary.


§ ita § - Feb 24, 2010 7:28:20 am PST #4443 of 12004
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The Leverage S2 DVDs come out May 25th, and here are the special features:

  • Audio commentary on every episode
  • The Creators of Leverage Q&A
  • John Rogers Set Tour
  • "Behind the Boom" Featurette
  • “The Hand Job” Spoof Video
  • Andy Lange Music Featurette
  • Season 2 Wrap Party Gag Reel


Cass - Feb 24, 2010 7:34:08 am PST #4444 of 12004
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

I do love a good gag reel. Well, I do when they don't send me running away with a bad case of the Motts.


Liese S. - Feb 24, 2010 8:07:48 am PST #4445 of 12004
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Sigh. Want.